ATGATT - Layers or "All-in-one"?.

[Navigator]

Powerful endorsement.

Thank you.

I used to ride my motorcycle to the Pentagon, as you well know it took high rank and/or an act of Congress to get a parking pass there, and for the motorcycle they handed out the stickers like free candy.

The Slug Line rules.

I was also at the Bureau down the hill next to Arlington. Same thing. I recall checking in with the Pers-4 admiral I worked for, then RADM J. Johnson. You remember him. Great guy. He had retired Master Chief who worked for him as kind of an EA. I had just been to the pass office where this absolute sow of a woman who ran it spit food she was chewing on the front of my whites as she was telling me not to expect to ever see a vehicle pass. I asked the EA what the heck was the deal with her and he said the rumor had it that she operated on 2 watts, one for her brain and the other to drive her bodily functions.

I was geo-batching it back then and a few of us rented the basement of a condo out in the Vienna area that had a bus stop right out front.

My son is stationed at the Pentagon now.

 

[GaryA]

Aerostich Roadcrafter, any day any weather,
Takes less than a minute on or off over whatever you are wearing.

And in Aus this one cost just over $2K this time, even our Customs had to get paid to get it through the border!

I have worn all other options and mixes of different gear but for me, this works.

 

[1olbull]

Ever try perforated leather? - ime it beats any fabric mesh in hot sun.

I'm afraid it would leak.
Wonder if it would be as cool as the textile mesh in 100°?

 

[barbagris]

I'm afraid it would leak.
Wonder if it would be as cool as the textile mesh in 100°?

Cooler. 100% - Though it will I'm sure also depend on humidity. Here humidity and summer do not mix.

I went through a couple of fabric mesh Jackets - none of them were any use at protecting from the sun. I currently have a Vanson Cobra Jacket with perforated leather panels and also a Leather/mesh hibrid where the high wear areas are perforated leather. Honestly I would choose the Vanson more often - bit it is seriously lacking in pockets. But it was on the seconds rack at the Vanson factory and a 500 dollar discount was too much to resist. The collar was dirty.

But with any mesh I have found once the air temperature gets much above 35°C mesh simply allows hot air to get at you. You dehydrate really fast. I now know that a cooling vest also works better under perforated leather than pure mesh too.

Finally after seeing Franks mesh after a tumble - I would not consider another fabric mesh - UNLESS it was Aramid.

If it rains you slip a rain jacket over the leather - twit!.

 

[1olbull]

"barbagris, post: 507133, member: 2487"]Cooler. 100% - Though it will I'm sure also depend on humidity. Here humidity and summer do not mix.

I went through a couple of fabric mesh Jackets - none of them were any use at protecting from the sun.
You must have been wearing fishnet scared of instead of mesh. Three mesh jackets so far & all were cooler than a T in the sun.
I currently have a Vanson Cobra Jacket with perforated leather panels and also a Leather/mesh hibrid where the high wear areas are perforated leather. Honestly I would choose the Vanson more often - bit it is seriously lacking in pockets. But it was on the seconds rack at the Vanson factory and a 500 dollar discount was too much to resist. The collar was dirty.

But with any mesh I have found once the air temperature gets much above 35°C mesh simply allows hot air to get at you. You dehydrate really fast. I now know that a cooling vest also works better under perforated leather than pure mesh too.
Anytime the temperature is higher than your body temp you will dehydrate. And the wind will exacerbate the dehydration. My mesh have stayed on for days in 110 F temps.
Finally after seeing Franks mesh after a tumble - I would not consider another fabric mesh - UNLESS it was Aramid.
My mesh has padding at the crucial places.
If it rains you slip a rain jacket over the leather - twit!.
Or in my case the rain jacket will go over or under the mesh.

 

[Joesmoe]

So I'm bummed. I ordered the suit, and it arrived today. For the second time in four months, I have received a FirstGear garment with a bad zipper.

In this case, the lower slider on the left pant leg has an internal problem that causes it to jam.

I've requested a return.

I just had to return a pair of First Gear overpants for a zipper problem -- in that case, the left leg zipper was installed upside down, so there were no stops on the bottom, and the slider just pulled right off, and it's nigh on impossible to match the teeth back up by hand.

 

[barbagris]

For the second time in four months, I have received a FirstGear garment with a bad zipper.

That would be enough for me to NEVER consider them again.

 

[Joesmoe]

<sigh> The gear is overpriced as is - what are the alternatives ?

 

[Ishrub]

<sigh> The gear is overpriced as is - what are the alternatives ?

@RKTNMYPKT where are you when we need you!

 

[barbagris]

<sigh> The gear is overpriced as is - what are the alternatives ?