TURBO200R4

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07 rocket III classic
the story starts with a starter problem.
the guy has the gaurd dawg installed the best one with a lot of wires. and takes out ignition switch.
some where along the line someone has put daul relays for the headlights.
the first expert decided it had a battery drain back problem so what he did was to take cutters and remove the relays and extra wires
so now he has a starter problem with no headlights
so i advised him to get an expert. the expert took a look at his bike and never canme back.
with no one to help i decided to help and we both downloaded google meet so i could have him show me what was happening.
i had to do some serious studding . some where he wiggle a wire and it started starting so he now thinks the starting problem is fixed
we worked with the wires and relays cut out and finaly got the low beams to work and decides it works good enough for a ride until it stops starting.
starter would clack in the starter bendix this was a rebuilt toyota starter. and some times it worked and some times it would not.
he had an extra used triump starter so i had him test on floor worked good so i told him to put it in. worked great starting every time for 30 times then clacked every time so i had him remove the starter and tear it apart (did i tell you he does not have one speck of mecanical abillity) with me looking at the info on the phone. turns out the triumph starter was wore out in the contacts.
so had him tear apart the toyota starter and just one little mistake in the contacts so fixed that then checked it on the ground works great. so i had him put it in the bike.
no start just a loud clack like a bad starter
after a few checks i advised him to run a direct wire from the battery to his starter relay and replace the number 30 terminal now it starts every time.
so the problem was the bad wire (probably high resistance) going to the starter relay number 30 terminal.
by replacing that wire with a wire going from battery to 20amp fuse positive to the relay it now starts every time and he can now ride his bike.
high beams will be a winter project.
 
Cold starter problem from hell
It all started with a cold morning no start so i jumped it with my dodge Durango that would work for a few months then it had to be running and that worked for a few months land that stopped working and i had to let it set in the sun till about 3 pm then it would start fine abd i could take it to the shop and work on it.
Being that the shop work came first it was a long process the triumph manual has you check everything as ohms so if you have a complete break you can find it but not good if you have a high resistance wire. So i would take every component and figure out the voltage values and then put them on my computer for future reference.
Parts i have tried ecu, tip over sensor, crank sensor, coils, soldering both battery cables, cleaning all of the connectors on the bike, removing the ground blade connector and soldering it together, jumping grounds and jumping positives to eliminate problems in the wiring, hours of studying and conferencing with three other experts.
So today I will install 2 new batteries and will just hook up one to start with and see what happens. If that doesn't work then I will hook up the second one .
 
Cold starter problem from hell
It all started with a cold morning no start so i jumped it with my dodge Durango that would work for a few months then it had to be running and that worked for a few months land that stopped working and i had to let it set in the sun till about 3 pm then it would start fine abd i could take it to the shop and work on it.
Being that the shop work came first it was a long process the triumph manual has you check everything as ohms so if you have a complete break you can find it but not good if you have a high resistance wire. So i would take every component and figure out the voltage values and then put them on my computer for future reference.
Parts i have tried ecu, tip over sensor, crank sensor, coils, soldering both battery cables, cleaning all of the connectors on the bike, removing the ground blade connector and soldering it together, jumping grounds and jumping positives to eliminate problems in the wiring, hours of studying and conferencing with three other experts.
So today I will install 2 new batteries and will just hook up one to start with and see what happens. If that doesn't work then I will hook up the second one .
Hey, just a thought about having problems finding faults in high resistance wires etc. there's a tool called a power probe that is a godsend for electrical gremlins, I was never crazy about trying to chase voltage demons around especially intermittent issues but this thing is amazing, check out their website for all the details
 
Hey, just a thought about having problems finding faults in high resistance wires etc. there's a tool called a power probe that is a godsend for electrical gremlins, I was never crazy about trying to chase voltage demons around especially intermittent issues but this thing is amazing, check out their website for all the details
Glad you posted this
I have one and use it offen and my main guy has one and a lot of times.we have both of them hooked up
Some times i think that i should tell the guys if help you should buy one of these if i am going to help.
If you are looking for a cheap checker there are some similar for under $20 dollars.
 
After trying numberous of things
The fix seems to be replacing the two batteries with new ones it set for two weeks and cranked right up
Now keep in mind that the lows are around 70 degrees and it is a long time before i can try a cold start.
 
Cold starter problem from hell
It all started with a cold morning no start so i jumped it with my dodge Durango that would work for a few months then it had to be running and that worked for a few months land that stopped working and i had to let it set in the sun till about 3 pm then it would start fine abd i could take it to the shop and work on it.
Being that the shop work came first it was a long process the triumph manual has you check everything as ohms so if you have a complete break you can find it but not good if you have a high resistance wire. So i would take every component and figure out the voltage values and then put them on my computer for future reference.
Parts i have tried ecu, tip over sensor, crank sensor, coils, soldering both battery cables, cleaning all of the connectors on the bike, removing the ground blade connector and soldering it together, jumping grounds and jumping positives to eliminate problems in the wiring, hours of studying and conferencing with three other experts.
So today I will install 2 new batteries and will just hook up one to start with and see what happens. If that doesn't work then I will hook up the second one .
Herman,
Sure, wish I knew what you know about electrics!
Good on ya for the 'lecteic puzzle solve!
How much an hour did you charge? 😍
 
Herman,
Sure, wish I knew what you know about electrics!
Good on ya for the 'lecteic puzzle solve!
How much an hour did you charge? 😍

10 cents an hour
Had so much shop time that I could have bought a new one.
But i gained a ton of information figuring out how everything works and how to check voltages on all the componets
 
After trying numberous of things
The fix seems to be replacing the two batteries with new ones it set for two weeks and cranked right up
Now keep in mind that the lows are around 70 degrees and it is a long time before i can try a cold start.
I find it hard to understand why you need two batteries, I have one 325 CCA and never fails to crank until battery gets weak. The problem I've found with dual batteries is system will charge to stronger battery which will shut the charge off sooner, so the weak battery never gets fully charged. If using dual batteries, you should replace them both at the same time.
 
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I find it hard to understand why you need two batteries, I have on, 325 CCA and never fails to crank until battery gets weak. The problem I've found with dual batteries is system will charge to stronger battery which will shut the charge off sooner, so the weak battery never gets fully charged. If using dual batteries, you should replace them both at the same time.

Maybe that was my mistake i had a two year old battery and put an extra one in.
This time two new ones.
I have this habit of leaving the ignition on so that is the reason i have two batteries.
Also my large battery charger the timmer doesn't work so think that was why the one of the battery's
Blowed up like a balloon lol
 
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