No rear brake again

The front brake has no effect on the rear caliper. None. All it can do is trigger the line lock "ABS modulator" called the hill hold feature to trap the pressure you applied to the rear brake. The front lever exerts zero force to the rear caliper. None. Some people can't grasp the linguistics difference in wording across the pond.
It seems like the owner's manual must be wrong in this regard as it clearly states that is not the case. Using the latest AI when queried about whether front brake lever can actuate braking on the rear, it mirrors the owner's manual verbiage. stating, "this is for balanced braking." Perhaps you need to contact Triumph and have them correct this apparent misunderstanding of how their brakes actually work since the large majority of us that read the manual take it for gospel.
 
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Could just jack the rear wheel up, hit the front brake and see if you can spin the rear with your hand. Simple quick test.
 
How is that magic brake action happening? I mean other than that error in the owners manual, where does this force happen? There is no ABS motor, no transfer of brake fluid, no return system, nothing but a line from the owners manual to project the idea. If we had that feature of combined braking, the advertisers would be all over it. What a grand feature. But alas, all it does is hold your hill hold function as designed. No transfer of energy, no magic, no combined braking. It is either on or off as the angle of the road with the front brake activated, but only if you apply the rear brake force. That's where the magic comes from, the right foot.
 
How is that magic brake action happening? I mean other than that error in the owners manual, where does this force happen? There is no ABS motor, no transfer of brake fluid, no return system, nothing but a line from the owners manual to project the idea. If we had that feature of combined braking, the advertisers would be all over it. What a grand feature. But alas, all it does is hold your hill hold function as designed. No transfer of energy, no magic, no combined braking. It is either on or off as the angle of the road with the front brake activated, but only if you apply the rear brake force. That's where the magic comes from, the right foot.
This begs the question, do you have to apply the rear brake for the hill hold to activate when you squeeze the front brake to activate it or will it activate without also being on the rear brake?
 
Hello,
wanting to get to the bottom of this, I did a test... With the rear wheel lifted (I took the opportunity to switch to DOT 5.1 brake fluid), I activated the front brake lever... the result: the rear wheel wasn't braked, but a strange noise was coming from under the tank... probably the ABS unit !

I tried it with the engine running and got the same result, so either the ECU only activates the combined braking system when the motorcycle is moving, or Triumph is just feeding us a line and making things up...
 
This begs the question, do you have to apply the rear brake for the hill hold to activate when you squeeze the front brake to activate it or will it activate without also being on the rear brake?
  • Activation: Even though it locks the rear wheel, it is typically activated by a firm, quick squeeze and release of the front brake lever while the bike is at a standstill.
  • Electronic Control: The ABS modulator holds the hydraulic pressure in the rear brake circuit by shutting a valve.
  • Not a Parking Brake: It is not intended for long-term use. Triumph recommends not leaving it activated for more than 10 minutes to avoid potentially damaging the ABS solenoids through overheating.
  • Dependence on Rear Brake: Because the system relies on the rear brake circuit, if your rear brakes are spongy or ineffective, the hill hold feature may fail to hold the bike properly.
The Triumph Rocket 3 R features an
electronically variable, partially integrated (linked) braking system. This system is designed to improve stability and braking efficiency on such a heavy motorcycle.

How Front-to-Rear Linking Works
  • Automatic Activation: When you squeeze the front brake lever, the motorcycle's Electronic Control Unit (ECU) automatically applies a portion of the rear brake.
  • Proportional Pressure: The amount of rear braking force is proportional to how hard the rider pulls the front lever.
  • ECU Decision Making: The system uses an Inertial Measurement Unit (IMU)to decide the exact proportion of rear braking based on variables such as:
    • Vehicle speed
    • Weight transfer
    • Lean angle (Optimised Cornering ABS)
  • One-Way Linking: The integration only works from front to rear. Using the rear brake pedal alone will only activate the rear brake and does not engage the front.

Key Performance Benefits
  • Balanced Stopping: By slightly engaging the rear brake first or simultaneously, the system helps "settle" the bike and counteracts the massive weight transfer that occurs when braking a 290kg+ machine.
  • Improved Cornering: The Continental IMU allows the system to adjust braking distribution mid-turn to maintain the rider's intended line.
  • Braking Components: The system controls high-specification Brembo Stylema 4-piston radial monobloc calipers on 320mm front discs and a 300mm rear disc
MK 100 MAB - Motorcycle Anti-lock Brake System rocket 3 r gt
The
Continental MK 100 MAB
is a high-performance, two-channel Anti-lock Braking System (ABS) that serves as the core safety module for the Triumph Rocket 3 R and GT. Developed in partnership with Continental, this system integrates an advanced six-axis Inertial Measurement Unit (IMU) to provide "Optimised Cornering ABS" as a standard feature on both models.

Key Features on the Triumph Rocket 3 R/GT
  • Optimised Cornering ABS: Using the IMU to monitor roll, pitch, yaw, and lean angles, the system adjusts braking pressure in real-time to maintain stability and performance even when the bike is leaned over in a curve.
  • Electronic Linked Braking: The Continental ABS ECU automatically determines the correct proportion of rear braking force when the front lever is applied, based on speed and weight transfer.
  • Rear Wheel Lift-Off Protection (RLP): The MK 100 MAB includes sensors to detect and prevent the rear wheel from lifting during extreme deceleration, ensuring maximum stability.
  • Multiple ABS Modes: The system's settings are automatically tailored through the bike's four riding modes (Rain, Road, Sport, and Rider-configurable) to suit different conditions and riding styles.
  • Hill Hold Control: This feature uses the ABS unit to apply the rear brake on inclines, preventing the motorcycle from rolling back until the rider begins to move off.

Hardware Specifications
  • Braking Components: The MK 100 MAB unit works in conjunction with top-tier Brembo Stylema® hardware, including dual 320mm front discs with 4-piston radial monobloc calipers and a 300mm rear disc.
  • Module Profile: The latest generation of this unit is approximately 50% smaller and lighter than its predecessors, weighing roughly 620g
 
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This begs the question, do you have to apply the rear brake for the hill hold to activate when you squeeze the front brake to activate it or will it activate without also being on the rear brake?

Yes sir. YOU have to apply the rear brake pressure. Then, if the angle is sufficient and you activate the front brake while exerting rear brake pressure the Hill Hold will activate trapping that pressure you applied to assist holding the bike at that angle. The front lever just activates the ECM logic for things to happen given the proper inputs. No magic involved.
 
  • Activation: Even though it locks the rear wheel, it is typically activated by a firm, quick squeeze and release of the front brake lever while the bike is at a standstill.
  • Electronic Control: The ABS modulator holds the hydraulic pressure in the rear brake circuit by shutting a valve.
  • Not a Parking Brake: It is not intended for long-term use. Triumph recommends not leaving it activated for more than 10 minutes to avoid potentially damaging the ABS solenoids through overheating.
  • Dependence on Rear Brake: Because the system relies on the rear brake circuit, if your rear brakes are spongy or ineffective, the hill hold feature may fail to hold the bike properly.
The Triumph Rocket 3 R features an
electronically variable, partially integrated (linked) braking system. This system is designed to improve stability and braking efficiency on such a heavy motorcycle.

How Front-to-Rear Linking Works
  • Automatic Activation: When you squeeze the front brake lever, the motorcycle's Electronic Control Unit (ECU) automatically applies a portion of the rear brake.
  • Proportional Pressure: The amount of rear braking force is proportional to how hard the rider pulls the front lever.
  • ECU Decision Making: The system uses an Inertial Measurement Unit (IMU)to decide the exact proportion of rear braking based on variables such as:
    • Vehicle speed
    • Weight transfer
    • Lean angle (Optimised Cornering ABS)
  • One-Way Linking: The integration only works from front to rear. Using the rear brake pedal alone will only activate the rear brake and does not engage the front.

Key Performance Benefits
  • Balanced Stopping: By slightly engaging the rear brake first or simultaneously, the system helps "settle" the bike and counteracts the massive weight transfer that occurs when braking a 290kg+ machine.
  • Improved Cornering: The Continental IMU allows the system to adjust braking distribution mid-turn to maintain the rider's intended line.
  • Braking Components: The system controls high-specification Brembo Stylema 4-piston radial monobloc calipers on 320mm front discs and a 300mm rear disc
MK 100 MAB - Motorcycle Anti-lock Brake System rocket 3 r gt
The
Continental MK 100 MAB
is a high-performance, two-channel Anti-lock Braking System (ABS) that serves as the core safety module for the Triumph Rocket 3 R and GT. Developed in partnership with Continental, this system integrates an advanced six-axis Inertial Measurement Unit (IMU) to provide "Optimised Cornering ABS" as a standard feature on both models.

Key Features on the Triumph Rocket 3 R/GT
  • Optimised Cornering ABS: Using the IMU to monitor roll, pitch, yaw, and lean angles, the system adjusts braking pressure in real-time to maintain stability and performance even when the bike is leaned over in a curve.
  • Electronic Linked Braking: The Continental ABS ECU automatically determines the correct proportion of rear braking force when the front lever is applied, based on speed and weight transfer.
  • Rear Wheel Lift-Off Protection (RLP): The MK 100 MAB includes sensors to detect and prevent the rear wheel from lifting during extreme deceleration, ensuring maximum stability.
  • Multiple ABS Modes: The system's settings are automatically tailored through the bike's four riding modes (Rain, Road, Sport, and Rider-configurable) to suit different conditions and riding styles.
  • Hill Hold Control: This feature uses the ABS unit to apply the rear brake on inclines, preventing the motorcycle from rolling back until the rider begins to move off.

Hardware Specifications
  • Braking Components: The MK 100 MAB unit works in conjunction with top-tier Brembo Stylema® hardware, including dual 320mm front discs with 4-piston radial monobloc calipers and a 300mm rear disc.
  • Module Profile: The latest generation of this unit is approximately 50% smaller and lighter than its predecessors, weighing roughly 620g
Please add the source of this information to your post. Unless of course you typed all that in yourself, in which case, I am in awe.

Thanks,
Harry
 
Please add the source of this information to your post. Unless of course you typed all that in yourself, in which case, I am in awe.

Thanks,
Harry
No chance,it was what I have looked up using AI.
But all of it makes sense if you read it.
All I wanted to know in my first post was to find out if anyone else had air getting into rear brake line after having the recall done.
And that I was going to carry on bleed back brake manually, like I have done since buying my bike in 2020.
Was thinking of buying ABS unit from Ebay for £120 and taking apart to see how it works. 🤔

Seems a shame for you to take it down.
Thanks
Brad
 
No chance,it was what I have looked up using AI.
But all of it makes sense if you read it.
All I wanted to know in my first post was to find out if anyone else had air getting into rear brake line after having the recall done.
And that I was going to carry on bleed back brake manually, like I have done since buying my bike in 2020.
Was thinking of buying ABS unit from Ebay for £120 and taking apart to see how it works. 🤔

Seems a shame for you to take it down.
Thanks
Brad
Simply saying it was AI generated would be sufficient. We have issues from time to time with copyrighted material. Quoting the source helps avoid the problem.
 
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