High idle and eratic Tacho.

Cobba

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As the title says.
I have spent the past few days reading and trying to see if I can find an answer to this before bothering anybody else with it.

The idle issue is very much the same as discribed by Georgia Cruiser with his bike.
High idle after running for awhile. Kill switch temporarily fixes the problem.
http://www.r3owners.net/general-tec...-warmup-kill-switch-temporarily-corrects.html

Can't say I am overly happy with killing the engine on the run as the diagnostic's go back into start mode (as in when the key is first turned on and the lights and gauges do there thing) but the engine comes straight to life at road speed when I flick the switch back on. Maybe I should be pulling the clutch and re-starting with the starter motor instead.

Now, I am pretty sure that the high idle can be resolved with either a new TPS or Stepper motor and am already asking my local dealer for price and availability, but the Tacho seems a little unusual and I am not sure if related to this, caused by the killing of the engine at speed, or a totally separate issue.

Symptoms
If I am riding along at a constant speed (120Ks) and I decide to hit the gas, the tacho goes spastic as I accelerate away (fine when running at a constant speed).

It will go (as the revs build) from 3,000 to 8,000, back down to 4,000, then back to 8,000 and so on. The lower readings are comparable to the true reading of the engine, but it peaks out every second or so as I accelerate.
It looks very much like when the ignition first gets turned on and the lights and everything do there thing, except the speedo doesn't do it as well. It reads true.

Was only one thing I could think of that might relate to the 2 issues so I came home and cleaned the Crank angle sensor and went out again.
Both problems still there.



Now. I have gotta add this bit so the picture is clear.
This week I have just done a bypass for the headlight power, and an ignition relocation with a Rivco kit.

The bypass was the first one done and a home made job using 2 relays.
Power is direct from the battery and I cut the high and low beam wires in the main loom on the down stream side of the dipper switch and used the old wire as the activation wire for the relay.
I rode it for a day after this and the Tacho problem wasn't there after I did this upgrade.

Only other thing I can think of is that the ignition switch is already on the way out and moving it and the abuse applied to get the old tamper proof screws off could have been enough to cause it to faulter, but the engine doesn't cut out at all, just the Tacho has a spaz attack.
 
Most likely the primary TPS. Since it is basically a rheostat, it develops a flat spot at cruise speeds. This is true of the older part number that has the black insides. The newer part number with the blue insides has not shown to develop this problem.
 
Most likely the primary TPS. Since it is basically a rheostat, it develops a flat spot at cruise speeds. This is true of the older part number that has the black insides. The newer part number with the blue insides has not shown to develop this problem.
Thanks tdragger.
Have already ordered a new TPS and Idle speed controller (stepper motor) from my local dealer.
Like everyone says, the TPS is a common problem but it turned out to be the stepper motor in the case of the previous thread I put the link to.
Costing me over $500 for the 2 but it will eliminate all possibilites anyway.
Stepper motor is here in Oz and will have it early next week.
TPS is nil stock and 3 to 4 weeks away.

But back to the tacho.
Has anyone else experienced something similar to this.

Went for another ride today. High idle issue didn't start till about 20 minutes or so after leaving but the Tacho problem was there pretty much straight away.

I tried a few different things today. at 3,000 RPM it happened straight away.
At 2,000 RPM it didn't happen till I reached 3,000.

Doesn't make sense.
 
Thanks Gothlander.
I have done that and will do it again to be sure.

Earth for the relays is only for the coil so you would think that if it was bad then the lights wouldn't work very well. It's been done with proper plug blocks and colour coded wires. Red and black for the coil. Yellow and green for the power to the lights and everything went in it's right places.
I stuck the earth wires as a group under the bolt that holds the coil bracket on.

Seems strange that the Tacho only plays up when I hit the throttle hard, like as in full noise and it flickers from true revs to off the scale every second or so till I shut down again.
If I rode sensibally all day long then it wouldn't do it at all, but that's not why I got a Rocket.
 
That's a possibility.
Will check that tomorrow when I'm going over all the other wiring.
Cheers.

I did have the headlights and top triple tree off when I did the ignition relocation but didn't disconnect the guage wires.
Still, doesn't mean that something wasn't disturbed.
 
What Gothlander is saying about the small wires could very well be a problem, or the othere thing is you earths, I would
a/ check the the connections to the coils
b/ run a wire for the Light Relays earth directly to battery instead of frame at coil mount (it could be cause extra resistance for the Coils Earth)

just last week when I went to the dyno guy in Canberra we had trouble getting a good dyno readout for a while till the guy put an extra earth on his tacho pickup for the dyno, just a thought :rolleyes:
 
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