Thanks for all of your responses. I like the Flipmeister stand and ill probably be ordering one soon. On my Venture the engine hung down between the frame rails so a member over on that forum had designed a rectangular square tube bracket with tabs welded on each corner that fit into some part of the frame and the whole bracket then was attached to the loops underneath where a center stand would have gone. The R3 engine is a bit lower than that, making my idea of an attachable frame useless. A fabricator friend of mine is going to come over soon and look the situation over and maybe have a good solution. But for now, as long as the engine can support the weight of the bike ill have to go that way if I need to. Yes, I also strap my bikes to the lift. I mount my own tires so I need to come up with something before the next tire replacement.