forced air issue

[4ced-air15]

this is my first post, no crucifiction if wrong please. i have a 2008 R3 - Touring- and over the last 3 years we put the normal goodies on it, airfilters, pc5, Jardines, etc. and the bike never missed a beat. I recently ordered and received a supercharger kit from Richard in England, and took the kit and bike to my tune guy. removed the pc5 and stuff, put the kit on the bike with tuneboy program. right away developed starter engagement issues. it would only engage starter once outa 20 or so trys. dyno guy went ahead with the tune, 251hp at 6400rpm, told him i would take care of starter issue. that problem is worse now, so started checking with test light. put the test light on the yellow/red wire at starter relay and bike cranked and fired right up. tried it a couple -5 times more then must have messed something up cause now it'll crank the engine doing that but engine won't fire. i've read other posts about this but this seems a little different. quick fix anyone?

 

[TOMCAT]

That's some quick touring your planning , you're not really the laid back cruising type huh ... good luck with sorting starter problems.

 

[warp9.9]

did you check the plugs for spark?
rear cylinder is the easiest. just lift the tank up and pull number 5 plug
Or at least the easiest on a standard supercharged rocket. whats it feel like when you try to turn the crank pulley with a allen wrench without pulling the spark plugs? is it easier the ****zski?

 

[muleskinner]

"starter engagement issues"

I think he is talking about the starter not engaging the flywheel, not the engine not starting. That is strange, as nothing he did should cause that?????? Or did he say something else?

 

[warp9.9]

this is my first post, no crucifiction if wrong please. i have a 2008 R3 - Touring- and over the last 3 years we put the normal goodies on it, airfilters, pc5, Jardines, etc. and the bike never missed a beat. I recently ordered and received a supercharger kit from Richard in England, and took the kit and bike to my tune guy. removed the pc5 and stuff, put the kit on the bike with tuneboy program. right away developed starter engagement issues. it would only engage starter once outa 20 or so trys. dyno guy went ahead with the tune, 251hp at 6400rpm, told him i would take care of starter issue. that problem is worse now, so started checking with test light. put the test light on the yellow/red wire at starter relay and bike cranked and fired right up. tried it a couple -5 times more then must have messed something up cause now it'll crank the engine doing that but engine won't fire. i've read other posts about this but this seems a little different. quick fix anyone?

"starter engagement issues"

I think he is talking about the starter not engaging the flywheel, not the engine not starting. That is strange, as nothing he did should cause that?????? Or did he say something else?

You might be right but at the end of his post he states "tried it a couple -5 times more then must have messed something up cause now it'll crank the engine doing that but engine won't fire."
sounds to me like it turns over fine now but won't fire I am asking him to put the 10 mm allen wrench on the front pulley and see how it feels when he rotates it by hand with the plugs in first. then check for spark and number 5, and number 6 plug iare the easiest to take out with the blower plumbing and all still on. his coil mount has been split so the intake plumbing can fit between he number 2 and number 3 cylinder. Just playing a hunch work with me. Either way he needs to chack for spark as it is turning over.

 

[muleskinner]

Yes his post is a bit confusing.

 

[4ced-air15]

guys- sorry for any confusion here. the initial problem here was there was no power to the starter at all, no clicks or nothing. when i was using a test light to check for voltage thru the starter relay, putting the test light on the yellow wire(which runs to the ECM) would let the engine crank and run. engine ran fine. probably started it 5 times that way, then a little while later tried it again and engine would crank but not start. tonight i tried to start it a couple times, crank but no fire. following the suggestion to lift the tank and check for spark, i did that and when i cranked the engine checking for spark, it fired right up. looking around now for some loose connection or something under tank. the problem i need to fix tho is why it only cranks with that yellow wire which runs to the ecm shorted to ground. i have the factory shop manual here so the wire trace is accurate. this no-crank deal only started after supercharger install. any help would be appreciated.

 

[warp9.9]

this is my first post, no crucifiction if wrong please. i have a 2008 R3 - Touring- and over the last 3 years we put the normal goodies on it, airfilters, pc5, Jardines, etc. and the bike never missed a beat. I recently ordered and received a supercharger kit from Richard in England, and took the kit and bike to my tune guy. removed the pc5 and stuff, put the kit on the bike with tuneboy program. right away developed starter engagement issues. it would only engage starter once outa 20 or so trys. dyno guy went ahead with the tune, 251hp at 6400rpm, told him i would take care of starter issue. that problem is worse now, so started checking with test light. put the test light on the yellow/red wire at starter relay and bike cranked and fired right up. tried it a couple -5 times more then must have messed something up cause now it'll crank the engine doing that but engine won't fire. i've read other posts about this but this seems a little different. quick fix anyone?

Hey 4ced-air15 I am still curious and hoping to help you sort out your issues. for a couple reasons. One being I must admit I like to learn things about the Rocket especially since I hve one of Richards TTS kits on my beastie. Another is because that is why sites like this exist and I I can help you sort this out we both gain knowledge along with others who are following this thread. So this is no crucifiction. after re-reading your first post I want to make sure I am reading it right. When you say the starter would only engauge once out of 20 trys did you mean it would only turn over and fire once out of 20 trys or it would only kick the bendix in once out of 20 trys? in other words what happens the other 19 times ? does the motor turn over the 19 times and not fire or does it only turn over 1 time and fire and then turn over without firing the other 19 times.

now the part about the test light are you refering to a test light that you are using as a jumper wire like your jumping the terminals across the relay to kick it in? If so is this the only way to get the starter to engauge or have you tried the starter button> Trying to figure out if th erelay is not working or if something is acting like kill switch is on, or the clutch safety switch, kickstand switch, is keeping th ebike from turning over. It sounds from you post like thestarter is only trying to turn over once and then its acting like its stuck engauged in th efywheel and not returning? Can you elaborate more. If you do not want to carry this on in a open forum yu could alkways PM me.

 

[4ced-air15]

warp9.9 - there was no action all on the other 19 trys, no click, no relay action at all using the handlebar start swith. the 2oth or so try would crank the engine and start right off hitting the start button. then that even quit working. the part about the test light in the backside of the starter relay wire connector is simply grounding that yellow wire. there is no action from the start button at all, but if use a test lite or even a skinny scredriver, just touch it to ground and the bike cranks and starts hitting the starter button. i don't know what the yellow wire does inside the ecm, but somehow it completes a ground circuit.

 

[warp9.9]

Ok that helps me understand more. the first thing I would do is open up the cover with the start button and clean the contacts. Its easy two screws and you can see the open contact. Or atleast its that way on a classic model. ther is really nothing there to keep moisture out. add soem dialetric grease. This may not be it but it will make sure they are not corroded and making good connection. the red wire is coming from the starter button. Let me chace down the yellow wire which goes to terminal B06 on the ecm I will post when I figure that one out. but since you crossing the two wires it looks like you might not be making contact at the starter button. while your in there right down whatcolor wires are in there so I can see if the red one is there. I amin Mississippi so bot my bikes are almost 700 miles away. I will post in a little while.