Australia's convict past

[HELBOY]

No disrespect intended, Mate and those are bice words.
But it begs the question, WHY would youse surrender your guns???

"Hey MOE !! Let's give up our guns."

 

[cusso ken]

No disrespect intended, Mate and those are bice words.
But it begs the question, WHY would youse surrender your guns???

Only the law abiding citizens surrendered their guns under threat of prosecution ,however the criminals just basked in the knowledge that the nation was effectively disarmed and could no longer defend an armed invasion by an unlawfully armed criminal, if the Government of the day expected crims to surrender their Guns I am afraid they were badly out of touch with reality, we now have a proliferation of shootings almost daily and a flourishing black market trade of firearms, and a namby pamby judicial system to address the offenders if they are caught.

 

[ponters]

Kanz

 

[scot in exile]

If they did not do the crime they would not do the crime,body's were needed to fill the colony's and this was a easy way for that to be done, life for stealing a watch it better have been a rolex although my son on a school trip to New York did buy a rolex on a street corner for $5.00 as for the one who knicked the sheep if he had also shagged it he would have been put to death.
Was life hard for the early settlers(i would not call them convicts) hell yes but look at what they produced --- the great wee island the world calls Australia.

 

[TOMCAT]

Truth is the 'buyback' offered/forced by f#ckwit Howards Government was a dismal failure in every respect. A large number of the 'bought back' semi autos and pump actions found their way onto the black market within months of being handed in. The total number of semi autos 'bought back' did not even cover the number of SKS/SKK that were brought into the country. In fact in the first 3 years the SKS and SKS were brought in they had the "rock and roll" sear tied to the trigger guard so I heard.

 

[HELBOY]

Truth is the 'buyback' offered/forced by f#ckwit Howards Government was a dismal failure in every respect. A large number of the 'bought back' semi autos and pump actions found their way onto the black market within months of being handed in. The total number of semi autos 'bought back' did not even cover the number of SKS/SKK that were brought into the country. In fact in the first 3 years the SKS and SKS were brought in they had the "rock and roll" sear tied to the trigger guard so I heard.

Chicago, Illinois has some of the strictest gun laws on earth but they also have one of the highest rates of gun violence. Arresting criminals and keeping them behind bars is a good start.

 

[Wrecka]

guns are good for sport and finality

but if its just sorting out an indiscretion it is far more fun feeling the damage you are causing than simply watching it. I personally am a lover not a fighter but I could imagine and have read that it feels a lot better feeling a disrespectful caunts hyoid and trachea crunching like cornflakes in the palm of your hand whilst you stare them in the eye and smile.

Guns can be dangerous in anybody's hands but only the hands of somebody dangerous can be more dangerous than a gun.

I can go overseas and ply my trade where i will be shot at plenty, i like being home and knowing there a very slim chance of lead flying

 

[forklift]

Hey guys I came across this and found it interesting. Years ago when I went overseas for the first time (1983) an Italian mate gave me an old coin, I suppose it is an old tradition.

Also, the trivial "crimes" our forebears committed to end up being transported is interesting. I think it was as much about getting some bodies into the new colony as anything else.

This is a bit of our history so I thought I'd put it up here.

http://www.atlasobscura.com/article...-loved-ones-before-being-shipped-to-australia

Did not know that the US was also a destination for criminals like Australia. No wonder there are so many politicians here.

 

[idk]

Did not know that the US was also a destination for criminals like Australia. No wonder there are so many politicians here.

Yep. If the USA didn't stop taking delivery in 1776 then OZ would be a very different country indeed. The French and Russians were also checking it out to settle as well.

 

[Lostride]

No disrespect intended, Mate and those are bice words.
But it begs the question, WHY would youse surrender your guns???

Depends on what you mean by "surrender". If you are referring to Australia not having something equivalent to the 2nd Amendment of the United States constitution:

Like Canada, Australia did not have a War of Independence from Great Britain, hence our constitutions developed differently. Thankfully, both Australia and Canada were able to develop with minimum violence, except for a few incidences like the Eureka Stockade (December 1854, ironically involving Americans as agitators, including an African American) and the Upper Canada Rebellion (again, Americans involved!) in December 1837.

A connection to Australia after the Upper and Lower Canada Rebellions:
In total 93 Americans and 58 Canadiens (French Canadian) prisoners from Lower Canada were transported to Australia after being convicted in Montreal in late 1838 or early 1839. Almost all were taken on the HMS Buffalo, leaving Quebec in September 1839 and arriving off Hobart, Van Diemen's Land in February 1840. The Americans were disembarked at Hobart but the French-Canadians were taken to Sydney, New South Wales. They were interned near the present day suburb of Concord, giving rise to the names Canada Bay, France Bay and Exile Bay. The French-Canadians were treated better than the Americans, liberated sooner and assisted in getting home. Of the 93 Americans, 14 died as a direct result of transportation and penal servitude. By the end of 1844, half of those in Van Diemen's Land had been granted pardons, nearly all were pardoned by 1848, but five remained in penal servitude until at least 1850. None chose to stay in Van Diemen's Land after being pardoned.

From Upper Canada (Ontario) 150 were sent to the penal colony of Van Diemen's Land (Tasmania) and Sydney, Australia.

The Eureka Stockade was a rebellion of miners in the goldfields of Victoria. It was a Battle fought between the Colonial forces of Australia and miners where 27 people died, mostly rebels.

Mass public support for the captured rebels in the colony's capital of Melbourne when they were placed on trial resulted in the introduction of the Electoral Act 1856, which mandated full white male suffrage for elections for the lower house in the Victorian parliament, the second instituted political democracy in Australia. As such, the Eureka Rebellion is controversially identified with the birth of democracy in Australia and interpreted by some as a political revolt.

Australia and Canada have had several massacres, most well known are the Port Arthur Massacre (Tasmania Australia 1996) which led to Australia handing in it's guns, and the École Polytechnique Massacre (Canada Montreal 1989) which also led to strict gun controls in Canada.

Neither country (Australia, Canada) has had any massacres since these gun control measures were enacted.