Second battery for cold starts

I have the heavier starter and negative ground, mine starts easily at 25 F, probably lower, too, but I take a different bike if it's colder than that.
 
I had a second battery for a while but didn't find it too practical. As tdragger has mentioned, there are batter ways to solve the issue. I did just about everything possible including a very expensive Shorai battery. The biggest difference came when I switched out the stock starter with the one tdragger mentions. Never had an issue since.

This was a subject very close to my heart until I fixed it. Click HERE for a post I put together with a compilation of some links with more details on the previous suggestions.



Good luck
 
Another obvious concern/ short term solution has to do with your present battery. Is it the original battery or a replacement that's been in the bike for 2-4 seasons. If it's either of those two, that might explain its not holding a sufficient charge to start your bike after sitting for 10 hours in the cold. A new replacement battery should get you through in the short term if you keep it on a Tender when not in use.

My bike is the same year as yours, but it has had an ignition switch relocation/replacement installed (an out of production Rivco kit) and a new battery installed after 4 years of reliable service subsequent to the first replacement battery I put in months after buying the bike with its 3+ year old OE battery. She was a cold weather R3 from the get go, having come from the original owner in Janesville, WI.

All of the other information provided to you here is good, solid and accurate advice. If you do have the original ignition switch, that is a natural point of departure for a more permanent correction of your cold start problem. The ground wire upgrade is a cheap and easy fix that will pay dividends in terms of delivering better cranking power to the starter and extending your batter's lifespan.
 
Thabks so much. That was exacty the kinda info i was looking for. Ill be sure to look into all those options. Its kinda embarrassing to not have my bike start while the harly riders start up and take off right then and there.


Don't be embarrassed, you are starting a car engine with a tiny motorcycle battery and they are starting a lawn mower!! Lol!!
 
Have you checked the contacts in the starter solenoid.

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You will be amazed how much better the starter works when it gets a good transfer of electricity. I also agree with the other pointers to make the starting system top notch.
 
Firstly Welcome, there are some different solution, I currently am running the battery out of my unused Honda St 1100 sitting in the air-box and connected in pos to pos and neg to neg so it still maintains 12 volt with 60 amp cable, it works for me, there is also the heavier pos to starter and heavier neg to engine earth cables, and there are Li Po batteries available that are the same physical size as the Std battery but have up to 600 CCA but at a price, as funds allow I will be switching to a Li Po and the heavier cables
Lithium Powerbloc 18aH from Germany.
Maximum pulse discharge - 1,000 A
181x78x174 mm

The major reason why batteries do not discharge as fast when cold is CHEMISTRY. A reaction has to take place - and it's thermo sensitive.
One reason why (for example) a Softail will fire up is because the battery is surrounded by an oil filled radiator. It's also why Softails can boil batteries in summer.
The R3 battery is as about as isolated from heat as it can be.

Obviously - dirty contacts, high resistance cables (through cross section or resistivity) will augment the energy required to adequately spin the starter.
But let's not get silly here - a 1.2kw motor needs 100amps at 12V (on paper. In reality add 50% for mechanical and other losses) 150amps.
A 1.6kw needs more amps - but produces 1.2Kw with less internal resistive losses - the internal windings are normally thicker wire.
A good 400Amp cable is more than enough - Use welding cables. They're flexible and have many more strands - so suffer less resistive increase if individual strands break (and they will).
If you really want to go the whole hog - use silver core cables.
Battery construction matters too. Close spaced plates - high quality components.

There is an additional problem with MODERN ENGINES. As the battery turns the engine - it obviously drains.

Lead Acid batteries will tend to supply amps whilst the voltage drops - if the voltage drops too low - many ECU's simply will not send "fire" signals
I don't know what the threshold is on an R3 - but I've seen cutoff values of as high as 12.2V.

LiFePO4 will tend to maintain VOLTS as they drain. But Amps seem to drop off.

ime - a mix of the two maintains volts and amps.

Add to this they fuel vaporisation at low air temps IS a factor - and the more open the inlet flow is to ambient temps - the more likely it is that fuel will NOT vaporise correctly.
An advantage to the serpentine R3 inlet tubing is that it maintains an insulated air volume.

I think what I'm saying here is that there can be many causes and fixes.
 
Okay so i have a problem.
I replaced to negetive battery cable like what was sugested and now my bike wont start. I checked all the conections and they seem good. Now when the bike is off the indicator lights and flashing (engine light, oil light, and odometer) when i turn the key to to on position it stops but nothing turns on. I dont understand what i did wrong.
 
To add... All the fuses are good. When i pull the 30 amp battery fuse the flashing stops
 
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