Same old same old - Tuneboy vs PC3

I just need to check my understanding of what i have read here. It seems to me that the PC3 can really only change mixture by adjusitng the fuel to the injectors and cannot fix the 7% detune in gears 1 to 3, whereas TB can be adjusted to get rid of any detuning and adjust fuel mixtures albeit via the elusive "correct tune"?

Is the TB really so difficult to set up and support so bad? I have TORs/cat delete and intention of running 3 pods - are these really so noisy as i love the induction noise on my Z3M BMW?

Where to buy in Aus or Group buy happening soon? So many questions! Rode the new Thunderbird today - nice but not in Rocket territory on so many levels!

Can't speak for the tuneboy,
but as for being restricted in the first 3 gears,
you can get a GiPro with atre and get around that issue.

When you load the best tune for your bike you can adjust your TPS and idle stepper then balance the throttle bodies. TuneBoy is a must IMO.

Bazdog said:

Is the TB really so difficult to set up and support so bad? I have TORs/cat delete and intention of running 3 pods - are these really so noisy as i love the induction noise on my Z3M BMW?

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If you're computer literate, it's not hard to use at all. There is a lot of experience with TB on these forums. You really don't need much from Tuneboy, Inc. at this point. I have the TORs/cat delete and am using a variant of the custom tune you can download from TB. I dynoed it at 140 hp and 150 lb ft. I had the triple filters for a while and didn't find them noisy.

Go for the Tuneboy! There are plenty of tunes available on this site. I just loaded the right one and didn't need to play with it at all.

I have both because I could not find anyone who could dyno with TB. If I lived Down Under like you, I would just contact Nev at Lush Racing and let him tune my bike.

I'll go ahead and be the voice for a PCIII .....
The reasons I prefer the Power Commander over Tuneboy.
1) It's plug and play.
2) It does not change/alter the factory settings.
3) Everything can be put back to factory by removing it.
4) Mechanics are more familiar with them and if there is a problem, see reason #3.
5) Dyno tuning is easier and there are more shops equiped to tune with them.
6) No laptop required.
7) You can make small changes with buttons right on the PCIII box itself without permanently changing the tune.
8) when it comes time to sell, putting it back factory is just taking it out.

There are probably a couple more reasons, I just have a poor memory.

Here are the cons .... (and I don't really feel they are cons, just things you do to get the same results as Tuneboy)
1) You will need to remove the secondary throttle plates.
2) A GiPro is needed to eliminate the timing retard in 1-3 gears. (and you get a gear indicator as well)
3) Tuneboy guys will give you grief.

It really all depends on what you want and how you are with wrenches and computers. Exhaust, Triples, Secondaries, GiPro and PCIII will get you the same power as Tuneboy with Exhaust, Triples and Tuneboy, so there is no sacrifice when it comes to end result power and torque. You just have to remove the throttle plates and get a GiPro in addition to the PCIII itself, the plates are free and the GiPro is $145. I would have gotten the GiPro anyway just for the gear position indicator.

I hope this helps make your decision.

jvsimons has one for sale just in case you are interested.

Bluemarlin said:

I have both because I could not find anyone who could dyno with TB. If I lived Down Under like you, I would just contact Nev at Lush Racing and let him tune my bike.

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You have the ideal setup.

Thanks for the input Hellfire. I understood that TB could be put back to standard easily as well? At least the secondaries are still there.

I get that the performance will be about the same if you remove secondaries and install the G1Pro but cost is another issue. My local Triumph dealer quotes about $1000 AUS for PC111 and dyno run plus abour $250 for the G1pro. TB costs $400 to $500 AUS and you load a tune or did I over simplify this?

While i am at it, what are the pros and cons of Triple filters vs under tank as I am swayed by the idea of the bike the biker still appearing standard ish to the boys in blue?

Thanks

I don't know what the exchange rate is ... here a PCIII is $275 and GiPri $150. A good dyno tune around $200 and few shops will tune with a TuneBoy, most use Power Commander equipment. I suppose if you carry around a laptop with the stock ECM program, then you can remove the Tuneboy alterations. What I meant by easy removal of a PCIII is if you have bike trouble, the mechanic can unplug a PCIII and work from the book to diagnose and repair the problem. A tech working on the bike would need to be familiar with Tuneboy and whatever tune is loaded to diagnose and repair breakdowns while traveling since the alterations are made dirrectly to the ECM.

The K&N Ru-2780's are what most here use for triples, they will fit easily under the bear claw without alterations. The benefits are how much air they will flow even under the claw. You won't get the benefit from low restriction exhaust until you have low restriction intake as well. Obviously allowing the huge engine to breath is the goal.
The only downside to triples is the noise, if you still have stock exhaust and the bike is factory quiet, the triples allow all the intake noise to be heard through the filters. Some guys have gone with a single longer and flat K&N that fits under the tank (don't know the part number), it is quieter than triples but flows better than the under seat filter. I'm running TOR's with cat eliminator and the extra sound from the pipes almost covers the noise from the triples (almost). The worst of the noise is around 1/4 throttle when the plates whistle. It's all a comprimise, how much can you stand?