Low fuel light ???

Captain Rich

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Nope, the Triumph Fuel Guage connects to the same tank sensor to get it's input. I had my dealer adjust mine, and the only way he could get it right was to adjust it and then add fuel until there was 1 gal in the tank and the light came on - if the light came on before a full gallon was introduced or if it took more than 1 gal to activate it, he drained it and went back to adjust in the appropriate direction. It was trial-and-error, but he's got it now so that the light comes on with 1 gal of fuel left.
 
Have the dealer change the sending unit. With the bad sending unit, the gage will also read incorrectly.
 
Neuk said:
Have the dealer change the sending unit. With the bad sending unit, the gage will also read incorrectly.

My dealer also said that Triumph was approving the sender replacement as it had been an issue on some bikes, but they asked him to try the adjustment first BEFORE they would approve warranty replacement of the sender. Any one of the things described here could cause the guage to read incorrectly.
 
Bad adjustment

I recently bought a 2006 R3SE. The low fuel indicator never turned on (and yes I did run out of gas on the first tank). The dealer knew about the problem but deceided to adjust it when I had the accessories put on a few weeks later (boneheads). It sounds like your dealer over did it. I also had the pricey fuel gauge put on. It works fine.
 
I just adjusted mine the other day. Not hard and it can be adjusted, but only so much. The first thing that you notice when you pull the sender/fuel pump assembly out of the tank is that there is only so far you can bend the arm and still have a working low fuel light. The design of the tank and the way the fuel level sensor sits in the tank, facing forward toward the front of the tank limits the amount of movement the sender has. My sending unit would cause the low fuel light come on when the sending unit put out 2.3 volts (the lower the sending unit arm sinks in the tank the more volts it puts out) but it doesn't happen instantaneously, it takes about 10 or 15 seconds before the fuel light would come on. Ideally you would want the sending unit to be putting out 2.3 volts when it is resting on the bottom of the fuel tank. But here is the problem, if you bend the sending unit's float arm too much it will hit the bottom of the tank before it can put out 2.3 volts and the low fuel light will never come on.

The way I adjusted mine was I removed the sender/fuel pump assembly from the tank. I then disconnected the fuel pump electrical connector so the pump wouldn’t be coming on when I reconnected the 4 pin connector that sends juice to the fuel pump and fuel level sender. After reconnecting the 4 pin connector I found the wire that carries the voltage coming from the fuel sender and hooked up a digital voltmeter and turned the ignition on. I then move the fuel sending unit’s float arm up and down and watch as the voltage output went up and down, the higher I lifted the arm the lower voltage output was. When I let the arm rest on the bottom of the assembly the voltage was something like 2.6 volts. I then raised the arm and slowly lower it until my low fuel light came on and this is how I determined that if the sending units voltage hit 2.3 volts or more the low fuel light would come on.. I then bent the sending unit’s float arm slightly so the voltage output would read 2.3 volts when it was slightly raised above the bottom of the assembly. I raised it slightly to take into account the thickness of the bottom of the tank where the assembly bolts to the tank so it will read 2.3 volts. After putting it all back together I filled the tank and then went for a long ride. Prior to the adjustment my low fuel light would come on at 130 miles or so. After the adjustment it comes on at just under 160 miles. :D

The best way to calibrate the fuel sending unit would be to have a bottom section of a beat up damaged fuel tank that you could cut the top section of the tank off and then bolt to the sender/fuel pump assembly to it. That way you could insure that the sending unit was putting out 2.3 volts as it would rest installed in your tank.

If you want to do this adjustment pick up a few things from your dealer first. 2 new crush washers for the fuel line that bolts to the bottom of the fuel pump assembly and a new rubber seal that goes between the fuel pump assembly and the fuel tank. You might also want to get a new fuel filter if you bike has some miles on it as the filter sits on the fuel pump assembly and you’ll have easy access to it while the pump is out of the tank.

One word of caution, be careful when you are removing the fuel pump assembly out of your tank. The fuel sending unit’s float arm is easy to damage and will get caught on the tank as the fuel pump assembly is being pulled from the tank.

Also, if you decide to try this you do so at your own risk. I’m not a mechanic just a guy who fixed something that Triumph should have. If you break your bike :? or burn your garage down :shock: don’t come crying to me.
 
RoadVenture said:
All these suggestions about going to the dealer and have them fix the fuel level sensor under warranty are all well and good...............IF THE BIKE IS STILL UNDER WARRANTY!!! (which mine is not.)

Sorry about the warranty references, but the reality is still the same: You either have a bad sender which must be replaced (which you might argue should be replaced under warranty based on it's failure date) or you need to adjust the sensor arm/assembly. If it's not a bad sender, I'd still recommend that you adjust it and then add fuel until there is 1 gal in the tank and the light comes on - if the light comes on before a full gallon is introduced or if it takes more than 1 gal to activate it, then drain it and adjust in the appropriate direction. It will be trial-and-error, but once you have it so that the light comes on with 1 gal of fuel left you're golden for the gauge as well as the idiot-light. If there's a smarter way to do this, I'd love to hear about it.
 
Captain Rich said:
RoadVenture said:
All these suggestions about going to the dealer and have them fix the fuel level sensor under warranty are all well and good...............IF THE BIKE IS STILL UNDER WARRANTY!!! (which mine is not.)

Sorry about the warranty references, but the reality is still the same: You either have a bad sender which must be replaced (which you might argue should be replaced under warranty based on it's failure date) or you need to adjust the sensor arm/assembly. If it's not a bad sender, I'd still recommend that you adjust it and then add fuel until there is 1 gal in the tank and the light comes on - if the light comes on before a full gallon is introduced or if it takes more than 1 gal to activate it, then drain it and adjust in the appropriate direction. It will be trial-and-error, but once you have it so that the light comes on with 1 gal of fuel left you're golden for the gauge as well as the idiot-light. If there's a smarter way to do this, I'd love to hear about it.

Before you try this gallon trial and error method I would suggest that you empty the tank completely reinstall it and then add 1 gallon of fuel to the tank. Now look inside the tank from the filler neck as the bike is sitting level, helps if you have a center stand. If you can't see any fuel sitting in the bottom of the tank then the fuel level is below the level that the fuel level sending unit can read. Even if there is a little bit of fuel that you can see, say less than 1/4 inch the float will still be resting on the bottom of the tank and still not capable of going any lower.

Look at the shape of the R3 tank. As the fuel level lowers at some point all the remain fuel will be in the portion of the tank that touches the seat, the lowest point of the tank. This is where the fuel pump pick up is located. Once the fuel level gets below the flat portion of the tank, the area that sits above the engine valve cover the sender unit is no longer able to move lower and thereby making it impossible to register a higher voltage output from the fuel level sending unit.

This is why I said in my post above to adjust the float level so the voltage output will read 2.3 volts when the float is resting just slightly above the removed fuel pump assembly. This allows you to adjust it for maximum effectiveness one time, no trial and error needed. :D

Captain Rich I'm not trying to argue with you. I originally had the same idea as you. Put in a gallon or so and then keep adjusting the float arm until I got the desired affect. But when I pulled out the fuel pump assembly I realized there are limitations caused by the way the sending unit is designed.

If anyone has a good picture of the fuel pump assembly out of their bike, how about posting it here. I should have took some pictures when I did mine. Could have save myself a thousand words or so.
 
azccj said:
adjust the float level so the voltage output will read 2.3 volts when the float is resting just slightly above the removed fuel pump assembly
This sounds like a good approach to take the guess-work out of the process (especially if you have to do it yourself). I presume you'd straighten or bend the float arm as needed to get the desired 'floating slightly above the removed fuel pump'?

How much fuel is in the tank using this approach? (I've considered that while 1 gal is a nice number, there's times when that's a little late).
 
Captain Rich said:
azccj said:
adjust the float level so the voltage output will read 2.3 volts when the float is resting just slightly above the removed fuel pump assembly
This sounds like a good approach to take the guess-work out of the process (especially if you have to do it yourself). I presume you'd straighten or bend the float arm as needed to get the desired 'floating slightly above the removed fuel pump'?

How much fuel is in the tank using this approach? (I've considered that while 1 gal is a nice number, there's times when that's a little late).

The float arm/wire is perfectly straight as it comes from the factory. And you only need to bend it slightly to change the voltage output from the sensor to get the 2.3 volts needed when it rest on the tank bottom.

As far as how much fuel is left in the tank when the flaot is resting on the bottom of the tank, I really don't know for sure as I haven't taken the time to actually dump it out and measured it, yet.

Also, if anyone has a piece of junk tank that is of no use to them, I mean one that it beat to hell as I only need the bottom part to be straight, I would be interested in getting it from them. I would then take mine all apart again and take lots of pictures to post and show how it's done. We could then pass around the tank bottom so everyone can do theirs with it.
 
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