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I don't care who you are, you still owe your freedom to those that were there before you. And that is why you fight today, so future generations will be able to enjoy the same freedoms.
 
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Honor

Most honorable: PO2 (EOD2) Mike Monsoor, a Navy EOD Technician, was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor posthumously for jumping on a grenade in Iraq , giving his life to save his fellow Seals.

Most dishonorable: US media for not reporting it.

Most dishonorable US media for not reporting many good deeds and civil actions.

2 - 1 US media wins most dishonorable title again.
 
3ngin33r1 said:
I could have been just as proud or even prouder, as I'm sure his family could have been too, if he had returned home in something other than a box...
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Actually, I don't think that your sentiments are misunderstood.
I would be ecstatic if no one had to go off and fight for our freedom...
Or, if they did, I would be equally ecstatic if they didn't come home in a box.

  • I'm sorry that kids have to go off to fight...
  • I'm sorry that many friends and friends of friends have come back in boxes...
  • I'm sorry that the survivors are irrevocably changed by the process...
  • I'm sorry that there are forces in this world that require all of these...
  • I'm proud that their sacrifices are recognized and are appreciated by those they fought with and for.
  • I'm proud to know that there are kids in the current generations are willing to take up the cause of securing our freedom... whether in the military, or the emergency services after my generation is laying down their arms.
  • I'm proud that my family has a long history of military service in the Army, the Air Forces, and the Navy.
But I've live long enough in this world to know that freedom isn't free.
It never has been and never will be.

Knowing this, I'm very proud that young men and women are willing to step into harm's way to protect my way of life. They willingly do so knowing that they may come back in a box.

The very least that we can do is appreciate their sacrifice while expressing our sorrow, and admiration, to their families.
 
britman said:
If we ever meet in person I will buy you a beer and we can discuss motorcycles, the weather, sports, or dogs. Politics wouldn't be a good topic for us.
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I disagree. How else can anyone ever hope to understand the views of others if they avoid the subject? They may find there is more in common than they originally thought.

I'll buy you the beer, I'm a scotch man.
 

since you feel you will be misunderstood. step up and explain clearly what you ment or were infering.
 
Anyone who joins any branch of the services, writes a blank check to the U.S. payable on demand for up to and including your life.

Bob
 
Bohica puts a straight face on the fact.
Heroes come in many shades and the focus of this story was a hero for his bravery, for the act that took his life while saving his fellow servicemen.
We must honor his memory. I salute him.
 
travelguy said:
since you feel you will be misunderstood. step up and explain clearly what you ment or were infering.
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I'd rather have a living hero than a dead one. Wouldn't you?

Or does his being dead make you proud too?

Was what he did honorable? Hell yes.
Did he deserve the award he received? Hell yes.

But to say you couldn't be prouder because he's dead is an insult.

Perhaps what was said about not being prouder was misunderstood, or misspoken but if someone said that to me about my son, I would be offended.

Nothing to do with his service or his sacrifice or anything, simply the fact that he's dead and you couldn't be prouder.

Just doesn't sound right to me.

Does that clarify?
 
I understand your message and agree. You don't need to die to be a hero, at least in my opinion...
I far prefer for our enemies to die.
Let their families morn them as heroes, not ours!
The liberals will tell you we should all just talk out our disagreements and avoid fighting altogather.
We all know this is true, ... but totally unrealistic!
 
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3ngin33r1 said:
... But to say you couldn't be prouder because he's dead is an insult...simply the fact that he's dead and you couldn't be prouder.
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Maybe the statement could have been word-smithed to suit you. How about, let's say this dead horse is a hero and leave it at that! After-all he carried the weight for many on his back. There's a bit of symbolism in there so don't get your panties in a twist.
 
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