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KildeRouge
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Cool Hellfire
All I said if that open a door at 100% is the same to remove it !
Secondaries are just some sort of doors !
If you remove secondaries , it is not usefull to open them at 100%
with Tune (Boy/Ecu) . But you can do if you want
All I said if that open a door at 100% is the same to remove it !
Secondaries are just some sort of doors !
If you remove secondaries , it is not usefull to open them at 100%
with Tune (Boy/Ecu) . But you can do if you want
HellFire
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The GiPro has nothing to do with the secondary throttle plates, the two are not related.
But you are right, they "are just some sort of doors !"
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Like Txclassic and wizard11, I've had nothing but good results from just using TuneECU and the canned tunes posted by PowerTripp and others, and slightly modifying where needed. When I had the D&Ds on the bike I used the TORS-underseat one straight up and it ran great, no decel popping, etc. When I put the stock pipes back on it for campground noise levels, it was easy to reload the stock tune, then set the secs at 100%, speedo correct at -6.3%, raise the top speed limit, bump the rev limiter a bit and disable the O2 sensor. I always save the tunes before I mess with them so I can always go back. When I put the cat delete on it shortly, I'll try loading the 20220map for standard pipes with cat delete.
It's all what you're comfortable with doing (and can afford), and I know getting the bike dyno tuned and having the a/f ratios adjusted by a pro will get everything out the engine possible, but tuneecu is all I need at this point.
It's all what you're comfortable with doing (and can afford), and I know getting the bike dyno tuned and having the a/f ratios adjusted by a pro will get everything out the engine possible, but tuneecu is all I need at this point.
KildeRouge
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Sorry Hellfire but Gi Pro have a lot to do with secondaries plates ! And that is not theory .
"The GiPro has nothing to do with the secondary throttle plates, the two are not related.But you are right, they "are just some sort of doors !""
You said but sadly it is not exact .
Because GiPro tricks the ECU by letting it to mesure a resistor of 700 ohms in order to tell it , even if you are in 3 or 5th speed that you are in Fourth where ECU let secondaries open at 100% rate !
There is a set of 6 differents resistors who are measured by Ecu in order to know what gear number is engaged ! If you present always the same 700 ohms resistor , the ECU will always believe that you are on the 4th gear ! And will open secondaries !
But GiPro is said to change sligtly the ignition timing and on that I have not made measures on that so I cant affirm anything about this particular fonction of GiPro ! But what I can affirm too is that Tune Ecu allows you to change the ignition timing tables ! The only usefull fonction of GiPro is to show the gear number you are in ! A little expensive for an only one usefull fonction !
Some where in this post someone said that it is unesuefull to change the work of numerous and skilled Triumph engineers ! I want moderate this affirmation . The aims of Triumph and yours differ largely ! Theirs aims are to be good with a bunch of norms about pollution , noise , appetite , safesty of the biker and so on ! That are not yours aims ! And the way to change the constants of Ecu are different following the aims !
Excuse my bad english but I am not very familiar with mechanical language .
"The GiPro has nothing to do with the secondary throttle plates, the two are not related.But you are right, they "are just some sort of doors !""
You said but sadly it is not exact .
Because GiPro tricks the ECU by letting it to mesure a resistor of 700 ohms in order to tell it , even if you are in 3 or 5th speed that you are in Fourth where ECU let secondaries open at 100% rate !
There is a set of 6 differents resistors who are measured by Ecu in order to know what gear number is engaged ! If you present always the same 700 ohms resistor , the ECU will always believe that you are on the 4th gear ! And will open secondaries !
But GiPro is said to change sligtly the ignition timing and on that I have not made measures on that so I cant affirm anything about this particular fonction of GiPro ! But what I can affirm too is that Tune Ecu allows you to change the ignition timing tables ! The only usefull fonction of GiPro is to show the gear number you are in ! A little expensive for an only one usefull fonction !
Some where in this post someone said that it is unesuefull to change the work of numerous and skilled Triumph engineers ! I want moderate this affirmation . The aims of Triumph and yours differ largely ! Theirs aims are to be good with a bunch of norms about pollution , noise , appetite , safesty of the biker and so on ! That are not yours aims ! And the way to change the constants of Ecu are different following the aims !
Excuse my bad english but I am not very familiar with mechanical language .
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You need to be using a Power Commander to even use one, and since you aren't ... why do you care?
You're wrong about your assumptions and comments probably because you don't run the setup necessary to benefit from it, so don't cloud the minds of those who could use it correctly.
It has no direct control over the plates or ignition timing ... at all. It indeed does trick the ECU into thinking it's in a gear over 3rd. If the plates partially close in 4th, then they will still partially close with the GiPro and even with a PCIII. Removing them fixes any closures there might be in the Triumph tunes. The Triumph tunes also have built in to them a 7% power reduction in gears 1, 2 and 3 for safety reasons. The GiPro eliminates that so that the full available power in 4th and 5th can be enjoyed in 1,2 and 3.
Oh, and it also displays what gear you are in.
This is the workings of the GiPro, it's all it does.
TuneECU and Tuneboy are different animals and have nothing to do with it, don't try to mix them up.
KildeRouge
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You need to be using a Power Commander to even use one, and since you aren't ... why do you care? You said ! But you can use a Gipro without PC commander ! A lot of German Rockets works that ways , every year I go to the german rocketten Treffen and speak a lot of mechanics with people ! It's very educationnal because the are a bunch of diffents equipements between Rocket's communities !
You're wrong about your assumptions and comments probably because you don't run the setup necessary to benefit from it, so don't cloud the minds of those who could use it correctly.
On differents Rocket's forum in Europe in the beginning of 2004 and 2005 years , that was said the way to trick the ECU by putting a 700 ohms resistor . If you do not have a good understanding of the differents fonctions of GiPro and how and why it's work and how the fonction of Triumph indicator of engaged gear works , Then Yes it's not usefull to discuss about ! By the way for the moment you are the only one who denied my arguments . But perhaps for you , European points of views can't be considered ?
It has no direct control over the plates or ignition timing ... at all. It indeed does trick the ECU into thinking it's in a gear over 3rd. If the plates partially close in 4th, then they will still partially close with the GiPro and even with a PCIII. We can discuss at infinitum for the exact notion of DIRECT CONTROL but , like I said if you trick the ECU , made it believing you only use the 4th gear , the ECU will reacts the way it's programmed for 4th even if you are in neutral and ECU will command secondaries , will use the ignition table of the 4th gear ...and at the end Gipro dont control directly if you want say so, but there is a control . But I am agree with you there not cleverness enought in GiPro to dictate Gipro laws against Ecu laws ! The proof ? GiPro is connected on the plug of system who says which gear is in use , not on the ECU !
In documentation of Gipro , they said that GiPro change the ignition tables ! That an argument of used cars vendor ! It's not GiPro who do the work , it's the ECU , who is tricked by GiPro , who does the work ! At my eyes the difference is meaningfull !
The GiPro eliminates that so that the full available power in 4th and 5th can be enjoyed in 1,2 and 3. Oh, and it also displays what gear you are in. This time I fully agree with you
This is the workings of the GiPro, it's all it does. That is a little more complexe as I said above !
TuneECU and Tuneboy are different animals and have nothing to do with it, don't try to mix them up. Evidently ! but they have a lot of common fonctions between the 2 of them and they have in commom the fact they can mimics all fonctions of GiPro exept the display of the gear ! So I repeat GiPro only useful fonction is the display of the engaged gear and I think that 100$ is too much for that , you have other systems much less expensive who can do this fonction (see german systems for exemple )
Now if you are financially engaged with GiPro Firm , I better understand your inconditionnal engagements with GiPro !
You're wrong about your assumptions and comments probably because you don't run the setup necessary to benefit from it, so don't cloud the minds of those who could use it correctly.
On differents Rocket's forum in Europe in the beginning of 2004 and 2005 years , that was said the way to trick the ECU by putting a 700 ohms resistor . If you do not have a good understanding of the differents fonctions of GiPro and how and why it's work and how the fonction of Triumph indicator of engaged gear works , Then Yes it's not usefull to discuss about ! By the way for the moment you are the only one who denied my arguments . But perhaps for you , European points of views can't be considered ?
It has no direct control over the plates or ignition timing ... at all. It indeed does trick the ECU into thinking it's in a gear over 3rd. If the plates partially close in 4th, then they will still partially close with the GiPro and even with a PCIII. We can discuss at infinitum for the exact notion of DIRECT CONTROL but , like I said if you trick the ECU , made it believing you only use the 4th gear , the ECU will reacts the way it's programmed for 4th even if you are in neutral and ECU will command secondaries , will use the ignition table of the 4th gear ...and at the end Gipro dont control directly if you want say so, but there is a control . But I am agree with you there not cleverness enought in GiPro to dictate Gipro laws against Ecu laws ! The proof ? GiPro is connected on the plug of system who says which gear is in use , not on the ECU !
In documentation of Gipro , they said that GiPro change the ignition tables ! That an argument of used cars vendor ! It's not GiPro who do the work , it's the ECU , who is tricked by GiPro , who does the work ! At my eyes the difference is meaningfull !
The GiPro eliminates that so that the full available power in 4th and 5th can be enjoyed in 1,2 and 3. Oh, and it also displays what gear you are in.
This time I fully agree with you This is the workings of the GiPro, it's all it does. That is a little more complexe as I said above !
TuneECU and Tuneboy are different animals and have nothing to do with it, don't try to mix them up. Evidently ! but they have a lot of common fonctions between the 2 of them and they have in commom the fact they can mimics all fonctions of GiPro exept the display of the gear ! So I repeat GiPro only useful fonction is the display of the engaged gear and I think that 100$ is too much for that , you have other systems much less expensive who can do this fonction (see german systems for exemple )
Now if you are financially engaged with GiPro Firm , I better understand your inconditionnal engagements with GiPro !
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Yup, that's me .... I must be a European Bigot.
I'm sure it has nothing to do with how your posts evolved from saying 'the GiPro is useless other than a gear indicator', to agreeing with everything I said about how it works yet still managing to call it worthless. Is that the European thing you were referring too?
I'm sure it has nothing to do with how your posts evolved from saying 'the GiPro is useless other than a gear indicator', to agreeing with everything I said about how it works yet still managing to call it worthless. Is that the European thing you were referring too?
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