SOLVED!! Was HELP!! Sump bolt question - 2005 RIII Early Model

tribal

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Hello,

Bike: 2005 - early VIN
Engine# : 214513 - early
Background: I decided to drop my sump to have a look-see (glad i did the screens were really bad).
I believe I removed 3 THREE 8mm bolts (2 short one long??) from the underside near the kickstand and Cleaned everything, put on a new gasket and started reassembly.
Issue: I am having a problem with the last two bolts and the manual is unclear as to what goes where.

Q1. Does BOLT,RHHF,DOMED S/LESS M6X50 - the long one, go in the hole near the tank drain as indicated below?

It WILL fit there just fine but WILL NOT fit in the last open hole.
Q2. The last small BOLT,RHHF,M6X1.0X25,SLV left will not fit in the remaining hole either (too small a diameter).
Strangely, it has a washer but the other 18 did not. The OEM diagram indicates none of them should have had it...
Did I mix up a bolt?
Q3. If i need a different bolt what size is that left hand hole?

Thanks in advance.

5/27/20 UPDATE: The locations in my picture are correct.
When you start to reinstall the sump pan leave 1/8th inch gap and install all 21 bolts.
Then hand tighten all 21 and then torque all 21 to spec - 12nm.

The next one will take me 2 hours instead of 3 days.


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Here was what it looked like before cleaning. It's hard to tell but there is a yellowish film over everything and the filters are 80% blocked.

I think these are pieces of the torsional damper bearing that went bad many years ago.
I'm hoping this mess was left by the dealer and not anything new.
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I tried to look at my sump pan on my 2015 but it didn't help.

I tried to take some pictures from underneath but the images are reversed.

The closeup of the 3rd hole too.

Perhaps the bracket for the pipe in the first photo is interfering - or is something even supposed to screw in there? it looks like
something was there... I don't have a work lift and its tight under there/

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I can tell you from experience to be careful with the torque on all Triumph fasteners, when reinstalling my sump I snapped one of the bolts, I ordered new ones and went lighter on the torque with no leaks.
 
I can tell you from experience to be careful with the torque on all Triumph fasteners, when reinstalling my sump I snapped one of the bolts, I ordered new ones and went lighter on the torque with no leaks.

Yes, I saw your post about that. I only have a large torque wrench and was scared to use it.

12 of mine were finger tight = no wrench needed to remove. The rest were barely tight & only 2 were hard to loosen. OUCH! No leaks though.
I'm not sure if the stealership left it like that when they did my torsion assy bearing fix many many years ago or if they came loose on their own (I suspect the former).

So do you remember where that longer bolt goes into?
And is that last shorter bolt supposed to go somewhere or did I accidentally put it in with the others I was cleaning??

TIA
 
If you have the '04-'05 early model original version sump T1230061 (kit) or T1230137 sump by itself for SUMP & FITTINGS (ENG NO 217500 AND BELOW).

The later Silver early '06 sump T1230133 was then introduced Up to > Eng No 242554 same as the current pattern Black sump plate T1230135 AFTER Eng No 242554 > .

Same issue as the Oil tanks and head gaskets. Yes they are different too.

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RefPart NumberDescription# On Img# Cart$ EachNotes
1T1230133T3 SUMP SILVERx1528.20> Eng No 242554
1T1230135T3 SUMP BLACKx1528.20Eng No 242555 >
6T3200190T3 BOLT RHHF M6 X 25x203.40> Eng No 225114
6T3202303T3 BOLT RHHF M6 X 28x202.10Eng No 225115 >
7T3203050T3 BOLT DOMED S/S M6x18.60> Eng No 484575
7T3205073T3 BOLT HHF LGHTDx18.60Eng No 484876 >



If you want a cheap correct head gasket kit T3990092 too for your bigger oil tank pipes and other slight gallery differences there is a new OLD stock one on USA eBay 20% off.


12T1151150T3 GASKET 3 CYL HEADx1136.90> Eng No 254213
12T1150189T3 GASKET 3 CYL HEADx1136.90Eng No 254214 >
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24T3990089T3 GASKET KIT FULLx1874.00> 254213
24T3990093T3 GASKET KIT FULLx1874.00254214 >
25T3990092T3 GASKET KIT CYL HEADx1684.30> 254213
25T3990094T3 GASKET KIT CYL HEADx1684.30254214 >

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The original for your bike was probably same as this early 2004 one I think part number was T1230061 for eng-no before 217500.
Triumph ROCKET 111 (2004) Sump

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T1230061

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1Kit, Sump
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2Plug, NPSI 3/8 Dryseal
T3450005
> Eng No 698316 > ENG NO 711928
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4Oil Scavenge Pipe
T1210068
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5Gasket, Sump
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6Bolt, RHHF, M6 x 25, SLV
T3200190
Eng No 127360 »
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7Bolt, Domed, S/S, M6 x 50
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8COVER, STRAINER
T1230007
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9STRAINER COOLER SCAVENGE
1230050T03
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10STRAINER RETAINING PLATE
1230055T03
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11Capscrew, M6 x 12
T3050000
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12Sump Bolt, M14
T1231747
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13Sealing Washer
T3550123
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14O Ring
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T3558989
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16Sealing Washer Multipack (25)
T3551092
Multipack (25)
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