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Booger, you wanted change, well here it comes.
The following two articles come from the PGR site....
INHOFE-BOREN- FALLIN-COLE -SULLIVAN -LUCAS SAY NO TO TERRORISTS COMING
TO OKLAHOMA

Senator Jim Inhofe, a Senior Member of the Senate Armed Services
Committee, Rep. Dan Boren (D-Okla.), a Member of the House Armed
Services Committee, Rep. Mary Fallin (R-Okla.), a member of the House
Armed Services Committee, Rep. Tom Cole (R-Okla.), and Rep John
Sullivan (R-Okla.) joined together on Friday in a united front to
express outrage at President Obama's decision to shut down Guantanamo
Bay, possibly leading to terrorists coming to Oklahoma.

Senator Inhofe: "President Obama's decision to shut down Guantanamo
Bay could have a devastating impact on our national security and is
simply unacceptable. Through my position on the Senate Armed
Services Committee, I will lead the fight in the Senate to prevent
these terrorists from coming to my state or any state on American
soil. My constituents in Oklahoma deserve to feel safe, and we will
not feel safe with some of the most dangerous terrorists in the
world - men who would kill thousands for an extremist ideology - on
our soil. I will fight this decision, and Oklahomans will not be
subject to this type of insecurity. I will work hand and hand with
the rest of the Oklahoma delegation, and the other 93 Members of the
Senate who in 2007 resolved that detainees housed at Guantanamo
should not be released into American society, nor should they be
transferred stateside into facilities in American communities and
neighborhoods. "

Congressman Boren: "I am adamantly opposed to the movement of
Guantanamo detainees to any location in Oklahoma. It is absolutely
unacceptable to even consider relocating these terrorists to American
soil, let alone Oklahoma. With three Members of the Delegation
sitting on the Armed Services Committees in both houses of Congress,
we will be working diligently to stop any plan that includes
relocating detainees to any military facility in Oklahoma."

Congressman Cole: "I will oppose any efforts to transfer Guantanamo
Bay detainees into our state and other American communities. Moving
dangerous terrorists closer to home threatens the safety of our
citizens and undermines the security of our military posts. Many of
these detainees have committed dangerous acts against Americans and
it gravely concerns me that others are considering transporting them
into our country. I believe the President made a mistake by
announcing the closure of Guantanamo Bay before providing a plan that
details what will be done with the detainees."

Congresswoman Fallin: "Oklahomans had a very personal and tragic
confrontation with terrorism in 1995 that killed 168 of our friends
and neighbors and we frankly do not want our soil polluted by these
terrorists. I question the decision of the new administration in
announcing the closing of Guantanamo Bay without a viable plan in
place, and I will do all I can to make sure that if President Obama
persists in this policy that none of the terrorists will be housed in
our state, even for one night."

Congressman Sullivan: "The listing of Ft. Sill, Oklahoma as a
potential relocation facility for al-Qaeda terrorists is completely
unacceptable and represents a direct threat to the safety and
security of Oklahoma and our nation. I have long been skeptical
about President Obama's calls to close our terrorist detention
facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba and I will do everything in my power
to keep these terrorists who have killed American's out of our
communities- period. Since the tragic attacks of September 11, 2001,
our nation has been focused on keeping the American people safe by
taking the fight to the terrorists so we don't have to face them here
on our soil –relocating those who mean us harm to American cities is
a huge step backwards in the war on terror and a danger to our
homeland."

Congressman Lucas: "I am disappointed by President Obama's decision
to close the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay. His poor choice
has made this country less safe for each and every Oklahoman. I will
work closely with the other members of our delegation to ensure that
we don't expose our country to another tragedy like September 11th."




Received from a member:

Wednesday, January 28, 2009
Military to Pledge Oath To Obama, Not Constitution

Conservative News and Reporting
"News for the Rest of Us"
Michele Chang

Secretary of Defense Robert Gates is extremely frustrated with orders
that the White House is contemplating. According to sources at the
Pentagon, including all branches of the armed forces, the Obama
Administration may break with a centuries-old tradition.

A spokesman for General James Cartwright, the Vice Chairman of the
Joint Chiefs of Staff, states that the Obama Administration wants to
have soldiers and officers pledge a loyalty oath directly to the
office of the President, and no longer to the Constitution.

"The oath to the Constitution is as old as the document itself." the
spokesman said, "At no time in American history, not even in the Civil
War, did the oath change or the subject of the oath differ. It has
always been to the Constitution. "

The back-and-forth between the White House and the Defense Department
was expected as President George W. Bush left office. President Obama
has already signed orders to close Guantanamo and to pull combat
troops from Iraq. But, this, say many at the Defense Department, goes
too far.

"Technically, we can't talk about it before it becomes official
policy." the spokesman continued. "However, the Defense Department,
including the Secretary, will not take this laying down. Expect a
fight from the bureaucracy and the brass."

Sources at the White House had a different point of view. In a
circular distributed by White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs, the
rationale for the change was made more clear.

"The President feels that the military has been too indoctrinated by
the old harbingers of hate: nationalism, racism, and classism. By
removing an oath to the American society, the soldiers are less
likely to commit atrocities like those at Abu Ghraib."

"We expect a lot of flak over this," the classified memo continues.
"But those that would be most against it are those looking either for
attention or control."

The time frame for the changes are unknown. However, it is more likely
that the changes will be made around the July 4th holiday, in order to
dampen any potential backlash. The difference in the oath will
actually only be slight. The main differences will be the new
phrasing. It is expected that the oath to the Constitution will be
entirely phased out within two years.

DID YOU READ THAT???
Swearing a loyalty oath to obama NOT the Constitution.
 
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"The President feels that the military has been too indoctrinated by
the old harbingers of hate: nationalism, racism, and classism. By
removing an oath to the American society, the soldiers are less
likely to commit atrocities like those at Abu Ghraib."

"We expect a lot of flak over this," the classified memo continues.
"But those that would be most against it are those looking either for
attention or control."

Absurd! Absolutely absurd! What next: Congress, the Supremes, and the King himself will commit treason by reaffirming their loyalty to what, the Crown; and not the law. Appears to me that Obama is the one looking for both attention and control:flame:
 
Wonder how this would be recieved if a conservative ( pretend we have some, for the sake of argument) had tried to pull a stunt like this? Told you he is a communist.
 
Sorry . . . I've been out of town in northern Minnesota . . putting the family jewels into a cryogenic deep freeze. **** its cold up there.

Anyway, Skip . . I just glanced through this but I guess my question is how come you think its OK to hold people without being charged, torture them for info that even the government says they dont have, and then be outraged when someone actually stands up and says this is wrong? Even dubya's administration admits that 90% of them arent dangerous, they just have no place to send them. If it were Americans being held in the same circumstances all hell would break loose. I know that for a fact because when a bunch of students stormed the American Embassy in Iran 5 of the seven that died trying to get them out were from the base I was stationed at. Our military (most of them) would rather lose their life than their honor and that . . . I believe . . . is what sets us apart. Is it honorable to make agreements to treat soldiers and prisoners of war in a certain way and then say . . hey, they're doing it, why cant I? A quote from my mother about jumping off a bridge comes to mind. They dont have to send them to Oklahoma though . . northern Minnesota would be good.

I'm all for closing the prision.

I just read on to the bottom . . Thinking that the oath is going to change is just as absurd as Obama taking the oath of office on the Quran or no birth certificate or is the anti-Christ . . . c'mon now.
 
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The "oath" thing sounds a little far-fetched but you never know.

I do find it interesting how much trouble Obama has with his appointments. Are any high level democrats paying taxes or even know tax law? The guy running the IRS doesn't know tax law. Daschle doesn't know tax law. Who do you know that has a "full-time limo and driver provided by a friend"?

Would anyone on this board get the same treatment if we didn't pay our taxes?
 
Naw Booger,
I don't think torture is acceptable UNLESS we KNOW they have info that will save American lives.
Then, Hey if we skin one or two alive in front of the rest of em, they'll talk.
I've been skint, and even with drugs it hurts.
As far as shippin em up North to Flips neck of the woods goes,
thats still to close.
Now as far as changing the oath goes, its been done before,
but lets talk about somethin important, do you like the patch and pin for RAA 4?:)
 
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The "oath" thing sounds a little far-fetched but you never know.

I do find it interesting how much trouble Obama has with his appointments. Are any high level democrats paying taxes or even know tax law? The guy running the IRS doesn't know tax law. Daschle doesn't know tax law.

I do have to admit that the GOP seems to be better at not getting caught . . .;)
 
Oh, there's been a few Repubs that have been caught doing the same thing. I think it goes a long way to add credibility to those that have said that Obama will say anything to get what he wants. He's showning us that it's just more of the same. Repubs do it, Dems do it. So much for change...
 
Presidental Limo

WE all knew the Limo thing was going to get way out of hand. :eek:
 

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