Mantelpiece Artefacts

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2472cc Supercharged Carpenter Rocket III Stroker
The quest for a Monster Rocket is an expensive one. Thought the Captains on here might be interested to have a look at the 'mantelpiece artefacts' collected so far;


1. Beat up crank pulley & bearing housing



Riding down a motorway and i feel the engine hiccup. I off-ramp (felt another hiccup) and check bike. Oil all over the bottom of the engine and rear wheel, brakes too. I was lucky to escape.
The crank pulley spigot bearing housing bolts had vibrated loose (think the imbalanced throttle, #7 below, accelerated it), so the housing moved out and oil spewed out the front of the engine.
The hiccup was 2 of the bolts had backed out so far they got caught in the pulley and got torn out of the front engine cover.
The bolts got dragged around between pulley and bearing housing, reefing the things up.
Loctite on these bolts now.


2. Chewed titanium valve retainer & scored bucket



During valve clearance check I found scoring on a couple of cam lobes and then valve buckets.
My opinion on this was that the shims were the non-chamfered edge kind, and wore their way into the titanium retainers.
One ate it's way almost completely out of the retainer.
The shards of titanium released got caught between the cam lobes and the buckets, scoring them.
The shims were all replaced with chamfered edge versions.


3. Broken valve spring



Discovered the broken inner spring when replacing the worn titanium retainers and non-chamfered edge shims (#2 above).
Bike still ran fine and no loss on compression etc as the out spring carried it.
No idea what broke this but the dual spring setup has been updated since with a single spring setup so i migrated to that.


4. Busted clutch pressure plate bearing



I reckon this type of bearing is the wrong type for the application, it should be a thrust bearing like in earlier Rockets. Reckon this bearing would be ok with the OEM clutch springs though.. I haven't heard of a failure.
Possible that using clutch springs nigh on twice the strength of the OEM ones, and also shifting at up to 9000rpm, might have been too much for the little guy.
Or maybe some of the titanium flakes from #2 above got into the bearing before the filter caught them, and fcuked the bearing up.
Replaced with a needle roller thrust bearing.


5. Corrupted ECU



Bike was dead one day - no start, gauges weird, softwares wouldn't connect, heard there was a dodgy map on the loose so replaced the ECU and sent old one to Tuneboy (in exchange for a key to the new one) who said it's fine.


6. Faulty GPS



Went through several of these until Triumph fixed the issue in 2013, coinciding with the change in clocks and main harness in the Roadsters.


7. Blow-off valve, vacuum tubes and throttle imbalance that caused idle problem/stall & die



This was the hardest problem i ever had to solve. It had 3 causes working against me (so hard to nail down the cause). Got through it with the support of the good guys on here, @Penner @sleeves @warp9.9

The bike ran fine for several hundred miles since these mods but then one day started stalling and dying at idle (ran fine once you hold throttle even 1-2% open). Very long story of strange misfortune, and in the end the fix wasn't straight forward. The vacuum tubes i used were too long, uneven lengths, and shared between MAP, BOV and FPR. The BOV had an O-ring which got sheared on assembly and created vacuum leak (which was near the MAP so resulted in a low vac reading but the engine vacuum was fine).
Oh yeah and the 2 things above also masked a poorly balanced throttle, which was a contributer to the poor idling.




On the plus side, a smooth sea never made a good sailor.
I look forward to some real bad part failures (on the whole, I've been lucky and caught these before they did real damage) in my quest.
Also, I hasten to add, the GPS was the only failure I've had in the OEM state - everything else was mod related.

Also look forward to hearing fellow Captains' tales of woe.. I can't be the only unlucky sod on here :D
 
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Man I never thought of bragging rights on broken bits :)
I've had a few well maybe more then a few. Blower cover, transmission input shaft along with the exploded internal clutch hub 7 or eight ashtrays of varrious compressions. Heck it took me two sets of triumph fog light mounts to realize they are not made for high speed landings. I am sure there is more I am trying to forget
:D
 
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Went through several of these until Triumph fixed the issue in 2013, coinciding with the change in clocks and main harness in the Roadsters.

What was that change you mention?
Will that stop '13 on instruments and / or ECUs from working on '10-'12 Roadsters with stock wiring looms.

Would a switch to the later wiring loom be required as well?

I have heard mentioned that the earlier '10-12/13 Roadsters have a different tune set up with 1st-3rd gear and secondaries opening %.
 

AJ's Motorcycles - ROCKET III, CLASSIC & ROADSTER 0 - Instruments - Roadster > 574812

Triumph 0 ROCKET III, CLASSIC & ROADSTER Instruments - Roadster > 574812


Note JUST 2 different part numbers for kmh instrument sets.

1 T2500662 T3 SPARES KIT KPH INST x1
1 T2500657 T3 INSTRUMENT ASSY KPH x1
1 T2500662 T3 SPARES KIT KPH INST x1
1 T2500657 T3 INSTRUMENT ASSY KPH x1

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T2500657

1 T2500662 T3 SPARES KIT KPH INST x1
1 T2500657 T3 INSTRUMENT ASSY KPH x1
1 T2500662 T3 SPARES KIT KPH INST x1
1 T2500657 T3 INSTRUMENT ASSY KPH x1
2 T2501366 T3 DAMPER INTERNAL IN x4
3 T2501369 T3 MOUNT REAR CASE IN x2
4 T2501370 T3 SCREW M4 X 10 S/S x4
5 T2501365 T3 SCREW M3 X 10 S/S x2
6 T2501364 T3 DAMPER RING INSTRUM x2
7 T2501363 T3 COVER SEGMENT INST x2
8 T2501368 T3 BOLT SHLD M5 X 5 x4
9 T2503889 T3 RESET KNOB SPEEDO x1
10 T2501362 T3 SPRING RESET KNOB x1
11 T3205066 T3 BOLT HHF LGHTD M6 x2 $7.40
11 T3205067 T3 BOLT HHF LGHTD M6 x2 $3.30
12 T3331222 T3 SCREW THREAD FORMIN x2
13 T2500663 T3 KIT INSTRUMENT BRAC x1
13 T2500658 T3 INSTRUMENT BRACKET x1
14 T2500659 T3 COVER INSTRUMENT MO x1
15 T3010702 T3 FLANGED SLEEVE 6.4 x2
16 T3020050 T3 GROMMET x2
17 T2503034 T3 SPEEDO GAUGE BLACK x1
17 T2503039 T3 SPEEDO GAUGE BLACK x1
18 T2503041 T3 TACHO GAUGE BLACK x1
 
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Fowlers UK listings suggest there are ONLY 4 instrument versions for Roadsters - 2 each for Mph and Kph.

Instruments - Roadster - Triumph ROCKET III, CLASSIC & ROADSTER | Triumph ROCKET III, CLASSIC & ROADSTER Instruments - Roadster supplied next day (UK only) by Fowlers Parts

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Spares Kit, MPH Instruments
T2500661
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Spares Kit, KPH Instruments
T2500662
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Instrument Assy, KPH
T2500657
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Instrument Assy, MPH
T2500656
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Damper, Internal, Instrument
T2501366
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3
Mount, Rear Case, Instrument
T2501369
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Screw, M4 x 10, S/S
T2501370
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Screw, M3 x 10, S/S
T2501365
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Damper Ring, Instrument, Thin
T2501364
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Cover, Segment, Instrument
T2501363
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Bolt, Shld, M5 x 5, H/H, M4 Int
T2501368
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Reset Knob, Speedo
T2503889
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Spring, Reset Knob, Speedo
T2501362
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Bolt, HHF, Lghtd, M6 x 25, Slv
T3205067
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Bolt, HHF, Lghtd, M6 x 20, Slv
T3205066
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Screw, Thread Forming, 4 x 16
T3331222
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Instrument Bracket, Twin
T2500658
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Kit, Instrument Bracket
T2500663
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Cover, Instrument Mount
T2500659
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Flanged Sleeve, 6.4 x 10 x 8.5
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Grommet
T3020050
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Speedo Gauge, Black, KPH
T2503039
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Speedo Gauge, Black, MPH
T2503034
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Tacho Gauge, Black, LCD
T2503041
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