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At a little over 8k miles I thought it time to lube the splines on the 3R. I'm one of the few who went through a final drive and drive shaft on the older models and have tried since then to do this with every rear tire change or, at least, every other, so every 4 -8,000 miles. Although there was a thin coating on the splines, it looked like it was about time to add some moly. I also change the final drive fluid with each tire change- it's cheap and easy.

The process was pretty straightforward- see pages 1256 - 1264 in the manual. Basically, remove the wheel, rear caliper, disconnect the ABS sensor and the wiring for the license plate, and the four nuts to the bevel box- lube and reassemble.

Here's what it looked like.....

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Does anyone pull the driveshaft out & lube the gearbox end 🤔
I have never heard of a spline failure at that end, just curious 🤷‍♂️😎
I have replaced a driveshaft because of a spline failure at the bevel box end.
 
Does anyone pull the driveshaft out & lube the gearbox end 🤔
I have never heard of a spline failure at that end, just curious 🤷‍♂️😎
I have replaced a driveshaft because of a spline failure at the bevel box end.
Only when I replaced a drive shaft. I've not heard of a failure at that end either.
 
Is there a gasket or any kind of sealant there? It looks like metal to metal from the pictures.
 
Is there a gasket or any kind of sealant there? It looks like metal to metal from the pictures.
It is metal to metal. There's no fluid there (or shouldn't be unless your FD is leaking), just grease.

I'll post an update on this procedure later today or this evening concerning the connecting bolts.
 
At a little over 8k miles I thought it time to lube the splines on the 3R. I'm one of the few who went through a final drive and drive shaft on the older models and have tried since then to do this with every rear tire change or, at least, every other, so every 4 -8,000 miles. Although there was a thin coating on the splines, it looked like it was about time to add some moly. I also change the final drive fluid with each tire change- it's cheap and easy.

The process was pretty straightforward- see pages 1256 - 1264 in the manual. Basically, remove the wheel, rear caliper, disconnect the ABS sensor and the wiring for the license plate, and the four nuts to the bevel box- lube and reassemble.

Here's what it looked like.....

IMG_1856.jpeg

IMG_1855.jpeg
Has anyone else had problems with the transmission (noise problem) I mean the metallic sound when at low speed you open the throttle and close it or switch clutch on off? I was on dealer service point and they opened the cardan and there was a problem with the bore of the drive shaft. Dealer service point fixed the problem (might temporarily). They changes a little of drive shaft boring place. Now metallic noise is disappear. Of course we testing the fix now and if noise is coming back dealer will install a new shaft by warranty. One finding was in borings there wasn't lubricant at all? Might it dry by when shaft becoming hot? This text is copy from my posting FB Triumph Rocket r/gt/tcf/black 2500cc fans club.
 
Has anyone else had problems with the transmission (noise problem) I mean the metallic sound when at low speed you open the throttle and close it or switch clutch on off? I was on dealer service point and they opened the cardan and there was a problem with the bore of the drive shaft. Dealer service point fixed the problem (might temporarily). They changes a little of drive shaft boring place. Now metallic noise is disappear. Of course we testing the fix now and if noise is coming back dealer will install a new shaft by warranty. One finding was in borings there wasn't lubricant at all? Might it dry by when shaft becoming hot? This text is copy from my posting FB Triumph Rocket r/gt/tcf/black 2500cc fans club.
Hi PekkaVu- I haven't had any strange noises. I'm not sure I understand what the dealer did to "fix" your issue. If there was no grease on the drive shaft that would definitely shorten the lifespan of that shaft and I would insist that it be replaced. If it's low on grease and gets hot the grease will dry out more quickly. You can see the grease dust in my photo- that's normal and why it needs to be re-greased periodically. High temp would just accelerate that process.
 
Here's an update to the process and an issue that you should be aware of. The first time may be a bit of a hassle, but if you ignore lubing the splines you will regret it later. This may go long...

It's really interesting that the need to lube the splines is not on the scheduled maintenance table. It has to be done periodically. You can see on my bike where after 8,000 miles the grease is drying out and what's left is getting pretty thin. Look up the subject on the 2.3 Rocket threads- the 2.5s are not exempt. Grease is grease.

An issue you'll likely encounter the first time you remove the final drive. Three of the four bolts on my final drive backed out along with the cap nuts. Why? The cap nuts have a stronger thread lock compound and that causes the bolts to back out.

On page 1260 of the service manual it states, "If a stud fitted to the rear bevel box becomes loose when the fixings are removed, a new stud must be fitted."

I'm shocked to see that they are actually reasonably priced
Stud, M12, Enc, Slv T3201277(Current price) $ 3.74
and so, you may want to go this route, but be prepared for "not in stock" and the down time, unless you plan well in advance.

What I've found is that anytime/everytime Triumph mentions removing a bolt with lockite on it they say you need to replace it. The replacements have loctite applied. But, is the bolt actually bad because you loosened and re-torqued it? I think not.

Here's what I did:
  • Once out, I removed the dried loctite from the bolts. There are two different threads on these 12M bolts. The rough thread goes into the final drive and the 1.25 pitch is what the cap nuts go onto.
  • The rough thread has blue loctite on it. Wire brush it, use isopropyl alcohol, and maybe a pick to remove- pretty easy.
  • Removing the cap nuts from the studs after they were out was a PITA. It took a good bit of force - I should have used some heat to weaken the compound. The fine thread has some more serious compound on it.
  • Strange, because the manual does not instruct you to reapply any kind of thread lock on those nuts when re-installing, which I did not.
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  • Use two nuts of the appropriate size on each end of the studs to give you a grip for removing the cap nut and for reinstalling the studs into the final drive. Tightening the nuts hard against each other creates a wrench point with which to apply force without marring anything. For example, to remove the cap nuts, see below. Use heat on the cap nuts to make it easier.
IMG_1865.jpeg

  • Once out, I soaked the nuts in alcohol and used a pick, carefully, to trace the threads to remove the compound.
  • Apply blue Loctite to the rough threads and torque into the final drive. You'll want to use two nuts on the 1.25 pitch thread side so your torque wrench can turn the studs. Torque to spec and according to sequence (see manual).
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  • Once you have the studs reinstalled and all threads clean, including the nuts....
  • Clean up the final drive and apply moly grease to the splines and internal mating surface of the final drive.
  • Place the shaft in a straight out position with the spring balanced inside the shaft's opening.
  • Make sure the two sleeves are on the studs, not sticking out of the mating surface with the shaft.
  • Hold your mouth right and lift the drive onto the shaft. This is the hardest part. You need the spring to stay in place, the splines to line up with the female end on the FD, and then you need the studs to go into the four holes. You'll probably need to grab the shaft with your third hand to help position it so that it all lines up correctly. This is where an assistant is a Godsend, but I never have one and just do a lot of cursing, sweating and grunting.
  • Finally, magically, after many attempts, the universe will align and the two ends will come together as lovers.
  • Torque the nuts according to spec and sequence (see the manual).
  • Next time you'll probably not have an issue with the studs and the procedure will be much, much, easier.
This is a great time to remove your brake pads, push the pistons out a bit and clean up everything brake related (I do this with every tire change). I change the final drive fluid while I'm at it.

Lubing the splines and changing the FD fluid is your best insurance against a very costly replacement down the line.
 
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Here's an update to the process and an issue that you should be aware of. The first time may be a bit of a hassle, but if you ignore lubing the splines you will regret it later. This may go long...

It's really interesting that the need to lube the splines is not on the scheduled maintenance table. It has to be done periodically. You can see on my bike where after 8,000 miles the grease is drying out and what's left is getting pretty thin. Look the subject up on the 2.3 Rocket threads- the 2.5s are not exempt.

On page 1260 of the service manual it states, "If a stud fitted to the rear bevel box becomes loose when the fixings are removed, a new stud must be fitted."

I'm shocked to see that they are actually reasonably priced
Stud, M12, Enc, Slv T3201277(Current price) $ 3.74
and so, you may want to go this route, but be prepared for "not in stock" and the down time, unless you plan well in advance.

What I've found is that anytime/everytime Triumph mentions removing a bolt with lockite on it they say you need to replace it. The replacements have loctite applied. But, is the bolt actually bad because you loosened and re-torqued it? I think not.

Three of the four bolts on my final drive backed out along with the cap nuts. Why? The cap nuts have a stronger thread lock compound and that causes the bolts to back out.

Here's what I did:
  • Once out, remove the dried loctite from the bolts. There are two different threads on these 12M bolts. The rough thread goes into the final drive and the 1.25 pitch is what the cap nuts go onto.
  • The rough thread has blue loctite on it. Wire brush it, use isopropyl alcohol, and maybe a pick to remove- pretty easy.
  • Removing the cap nuts from the studs was a PITA. It took a good bit of force - I should have used some heat to weaken the compound. The fine thread has some more serious compound on it.
  • Strange, because the manual does not instruct you to reapply any kind of thread lock on those nuts- which I did not.
  • IMG_1865.jpeg
  • Use two nuts of the appropriate size on each end of the studs to give you a grip for removing the cap nut and for reinstalling the studs into the final drive. Tightening the nuts hard against each other creates a wrench point with which to apply force without marring anything. For example, below, to remove the cap nuts.
IMG_1865.jpeg

  • Once out, I soaked the nuts in alcohol and used a pick, carefully, to trace the threads to remove the compound.
  • IMG_1866.jpeg

  • Apply blue Loctite to the rough threads and torque into the final drive. You'll want to use two nuts on the 1.25 pitch threads so your torque wrench can turn the studs. Torque to spec and according to sequence (see manual).
IMG_1867.jpeg

  • Once you have the studs reinstalled and all threads clean, including the nuts....
  • Clean up the final drive and apply moly grease to the splines and internal mating surface of the final drive.
  • Place the shaft in a straight out position with the spring balanced inside the shaft's opening.
  • Make sure the two sleeves are on the studs, not sticking out of the mating surface with the shaft.
  • Hold your mouth right and lift the drive onto the shaft. This is the hardest part. You need the spring to stay in place, the splines to line up with the female end on the FD, and then you need the studs to go into the four holes. You'll probably need to grab the shaft with your third hand to help position it so that it all lines up correctly. This is where an assistant is a Godsend, but I never have one and just do a lot of cursing and grunting.
  • Finally, magically, after many attempts, the universe will align and the two ends will come together as lovers.
  • Torque the nuts according to spec and sequence (see the manual).
  • Next time you'll probably not have an issue with the studs and the procedure will be much, much, easier.
This is a great time to remove your brake pads, push the pistons out a bit and clean up everything brake related (with every tire change). I change the final drive fluid while I'm at it. Lubing the splines and changing the FD fluid is your best insurance against a very costly replacement down the line.
I use a piece of plastic (right angle cut from ice cream container) to support driveshaft, then once the bevel box & ds have mated, theres enough gap to pull the flexible piece out. Works a charm & always get it the first time 👌
 
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