barbagris
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Where's @laraza ? - Would like his input on a practicalities POV. He had an R3T and now a Classic. But I know one of his best mates rides a Diavel - and they have done longish trips together. To me it looks totally useless for my needs.
On thing they could have done - fit DECENT LED (adaptive) lights.
Be sure that Triumph believe they know that a market exists and they have a chance.
I think though that like so much - it's designed to appeal to a different demographic group than mine.
On thing they could have done - fit DECENT LED (adaptive) lights.
Be sure that Triumph believe they know that a market exists and they have a chance.
I think though that like so much - it's designed to appeal to a different demographic group than mine.
laraza
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My Diavel riding mate is 5'4" and 150lbs, I'm 6' and 190lbs. The diavel fits him but not me, even with the comfort seat fitted (which gives you a bit more leg room) he was in pain after a couple of hundred miles and has had hip pain constantly since our first 3k mile round trip. I have to get off the Diavel after 80 miles because I find it so uncomfortable, however it is blisteringly quick, amazingly light and handles like a scalpel.
The new rocket just looks like a mix of the current model and a Diavel, due to the weight I can't see it being direct competition to then Ducati, it's never going to handle, or feel, like a Diavel so why make it look like one and on reflection will need to look a lot less generic in the flesh for it to tempt me (even if I could ever afford it
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And that there is why (imo) a Diavel looking R3 is not that clever.
It is a problem for Triumph (and all mfrs) to have a bike(or car) that suits all - USA, AUS, NZ, UK, EU. And Europe means Euro5.
Euro5 is going to be a real PITA imo. Why? because the emissions tests are LONG TERM - So at individual level the emission tests are repeated at 35K (miles) and it has to pass. Automatically this raises the costs of the materials used in Cats.
From what I've found so far it means that power has to be controlled far more (a good 30% drop from proper power to homologated power). This is probably why cc's have been boosted. I'm also trying to track down how the ECU's are affected - more complex almost certainly and very likely more tamperproof. Piggybacks or total new ECU will most likely be the only way to de-restrict.
I'm sure somebody like Mr @Speedy has a real good grip on this.
I am actually fairly pro-ecology, generally. But really anti having to "depend" on official servicing. It is a dilemma.
BillB
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Never would have expected that Tony.
BillB
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????????????!!!!!!!!!? Would somebody in OZ be good enough to stop by and check in on Tony please? I fear that he may have taken a nasty fall from the roof and landed on his head.
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Well that seems a little extreme. Personally I feel 3 is a good number - possibly because Mrs B says 2 is enough.
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I’m afraid you lost me. I can’t see what the mistaken view (in my opinion) that the bike looks anything like a Diavel - except for maybe how the number plate is mounted - has to do with Euro5 and locked ECUs.
I would say that in the current climate the last thing Triumph needs to do is try to keep selling an aging dinosaur like the current R3. If they don’t modernise it they may as well ditch the idea completely.
The reality is the world has moved on and thankfully Triumph is clever enough to be moving with it. It probably doesn’t matter that some current owners are resistant to change; the new bike isn’t actually aimed at them anyway.
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Gotcha - seriously I will be selling it. Share the love
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Diavel style = solo bike even with those dinky little flip out passenger pegs
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