TTS Supercharger vs. Carpenter Head Rework?

@warp9.9 Please make your well-founded technical additions.

You have been careful to separate fact, from fiction, from opinion, from emotion, and that makes for one of the more effective contributors.

Please proceed, and I will watch closely, with interest.
 
I would love to give my honest opinion on this subject but as soon as you do some take it as a invite for a pissing contest. Which then the thread goes south with badgering and name calling as you might have already noticed. Everyone should be proud of their accomplishments, but most important threads like this are a discussion to learn from. Of course this is not what happens so it makes the thread a useless one, and you might as well be kicking rocks :D
I am sure that just not myself but others would like to read more about the Superchargers from some body that actually owns one. I would not add one to the Rocket X but eventually will sell the Harley and may pick up a used Rocket. :):):):):):)
 
I am not an owner, but have worked on a fair few TTS rockets and also other bikes with the same brand supercharger( M109 , Vee Rod ). If it is worth any thing, my take on the Rocket kit is this. If one irons the bugs out of the system the bike will run well with the kit. If you wish to make it into a REAL supercharged bike, JUST fitting cam timings to suit forced induction will add at least 50hp to the engine,with NO OTHER engine mods. Any exhaust which fits and flows will work pretty much. Personally I would not have one because it is as ugly as a hatfull of arseholes hanging off the side, but some people love the look of it. Mechanically it works well, although I have never once with any of the kits (so far) of any model been able to stop the belts slipping. This probably does not matter as there is only a very select few who will actually hold it wide open for long enough to experience this problem. Riding the bikes , the thing feels great, particularly with cam timing done. If you have a stock engine and want MORE low down torque (under 3000) you will be dissapointed as there is no boost much until 2850rpm or there abouts. I have , on occasion, had to seek support from Richard at TTS and he has always been receptive to emails etc and helpful. I obviously should not comment on Bob Carpenters gear, but over here in OZ it is way more costly to fit a supercharger kit than to get 240hp from a stock engine. This is partly due to the value (or not) of our Aust $ and partly because the price of the kit is not the only cost of doing the job. One has to fit the kit, buy a fuel pump, at least two drive belts, sundry other bits and bobs, and work on the bike for many days including tuning it. But I have yet to meet some one who wanted to fit a supercharger to save money.

WARP has gone thru this process on his own pretty much, as is well documented here. Some of the things I suggested a long time ago he has taken up, like a boost limiter valve. The R3 kit WILL make 18-19psi of boost at 6900rpm if the belt is not slipping. This is too much if one actually uses the bike for more than a few seconds at those rpm, the pistons will melt. He should be encouraged to put forward his point of view
 
Thank you for the response. My experience on the Rocket is very limited when it comes to modifications. The only thing I plan on doing and have done so far with the Rocket X is Ramair and a complete Exhaust system from Paul. Hoping to sell the Harley soon and buy another Rocket. What every I buy will end up being modified to the max. Will be used as a SUNDAY AFTERNOON BIKE. Learning curve in process. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
 
I am not an owner, but have worked on a fair few TTS rockets and also other bikes with the same brand supercharger( M109 , Vee Rod ). If it is worth any thing, my take on the Rocket kit is this. If one irons the bugs out of the system the bike will run well with the kit. If you wish to make it into a REAL supercharged bike, JUST fitting cam timings to suit forced induction will add at least 50hp to the engine,with NO OTHER engine mods. Any exhaust which fits and flows will work pretty much. Personally I would not have one because it is as ugly as a hatfull of arseholes hanging off the side, but some people love the look of it. Mechanically it works well, although I have never once with any of the kits (so far) of any model been able to stop the belts slipping. This probably does not matter as there is only a very select few who will actually hold it wide open for long enough to experience this problem. Riding the bikes , the thing feels great, particularly with cam timing done. If you have a stock engine and want MORE low down torque (under 3000) you will be dissapointed as there is no boost much until 2850rpm or there abouts. I have , on occasion, had to seek support from Richard at TTS and he has always been receptive to emails etc and helpful. I obviously should not comment on Bob Carpenters gear, but over here in OZ it is way more costly to fit a supercharger kit than to get 240hp from a stock engine. This is partly due to the value (or not) of our Aust $ and partly because the price of the kit is not the only cost of doing the job. One has to fit the kit, buy a fuel pump, at least two drive belts, sundry other bits and bobs, and work on the bike for many days including tuning it. But I have yet to meet some one who wanted to fit a supercharger to save money.

WARP has gone thru this process on his own pretty much, as is well documented here. Some of the things I suggested a long time ago he has taken up, like a boost limiter valve. The R3 kit WILL make 18-19psi of boost at 6900rpm if the belt is not slipping. This is too much if one actually uses the bike for more than a few seconds at those rpm, the pistons will melt. He should be encouraged to put forward his point of view
Good information Nev thank you sir!!!
 
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I am not an owner, but have worked on a fair few TTS rockets and also other bikes with the same brand supercharger( M109 , Vee Rod ). If it is worth any thing, my take on the Rocket kit is this. If one irons the bugs out of the system the bike will run well with the kit. If you wish to make it into a REAL supercharged bike, JUST fitting cam timings to suit forced induction will add at least 50hp to the engine,with NO OTHER engine mods. Any exhaust which fits and flows will work pretty much. Personally I would not have one because it is as ugly as a hatfull of arseholes hanging off the side, but some people love the look of it. Mechanically it works well, although I have never once with any of the kits (so far) of any model been able to stop the belts slipping. This probably does not matter as there is only a very select few who will actually hold it wide open for long enough to experience this problem. Riding the bikes , the thing feels great, particularly with cam timing done. If you have a stock engine and want MORE low down torque (under 3000) you will be dissapointed as there is no boost much until 2850rpm or there abouts. I have , on occasion, had to seek support from Richard at TTS and he has always been receptive to emails etc and helpful. I obviously should not comment on Bob Carpenters gear, but over here in OZ it is way more costly to fit a supercharger kit than to get 240hp from a stock engine. This is partly due to the value (or not) of our Aust $ and partly because the price of the kit is not the only cost of doing the job. One has to fit the kit, buy a fuel pump, at least two drive belts, sundry other bits and bobs, and work on the bike for many days including tuning it. But I have yet to meet some one who wanted to fit a supercharger to save money.

WARP has gone thru this process on his own pretty much, as is well documented here. Some of the things I suggested a long time ago he has taken up, like a boost limiter valve. The R3 kit WILL make 18-19psi of boost at 6900rpm if the belt is not slipping. This is too much if one actually uses the bike for more than a few seconds at those rpm, the pistons will melt. He should be encouraged to put forward his point of view

So what would be the best mod that will target the low end torque ( under 3000rpm)?
 
Just curious about the pros and cons of which upgrade is more practical? Seems like the TTS Kit would be a much simpler installation with less hassles in the long run.

Anybody done the TTS mod themselves? How difficult was it and how is customer support? I've tried to contact TTS through their online site twice with no response? Is there a US distributor?

Hi ,

I did install myself, with basic knowledge of bikes, for me it was a little hard, but Richard from TTS always answered my calls even on weekend when they were closed he would pick up the phone.
 
So what would be the best mod that will target the low end torque ( under 3000rpm)?
If we are talking TTS VS Carpenter, it's TTS for below 3000 rpms. Now if you want some insane torque down low check out the turbo set up on billetcharger.com

Turbo-Triumph-Rocket-3-dyno.jpg
 
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