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  1. captain jack

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    Has anybody accessed the rear light unit, the book gives no info on how to release the bulb & holder so I was wondering if anyone has tips how to get to it, I know it's from under the rear mudguard (fender) but can't see what's to undo. Hoping to fit one of these. I don't think they're legal over here but oh well! it's a good idea I think

    Kisantech Tailblazer Brake Light Modulator - Deceleration Warning Single 20-W-D
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    Captain Jack,

    I have installed a similar unit.

    There was no need to remove the rear brake light to install it.

    Remove the seat and right side cover and splice into the brake light cabling above the starter and turn signal relays. (the rear light, both turn signals and the number plate light all have snap connections located behind the SMT unit just forward of the two relays so its easy enough to identify where to splice into.)

    I located the brake light flasher unit behind the battery housing so its easy to get at.

    Hope this helps

    Tony
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    Thanks Tony but this is not the flasher unit I did that the other day, this is a replacement brake light bulb with the flash unit built into the bulb housing, the idea is that when you hit the brake it flashes a bit before coming to a steady light.

    Phil thanks for the link but it won't work for me, I'll keep trying but I already have the service manual but it simply repeats the owners handbook that says "replace the bulb" from under the rear fender. I'll have another look under it tomorrow, I will let you know if/when I fit one.
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    Jack, if you have anything other than a 2005 or a 2009 model, the Kisan fitment chart indicates that you cannot use the plug and play unit you've purchased. Otherwise, you will need the same splice-on model TonyMac has used a model 100 HD BF, I believe. Check it out:

    https://www.kisantech.com/application.php
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    Cheers Phil, Haven't purchased one yet, but I have a 2009 model bike, your link to the fitment chart was useful. I can''t be sure yet hat they are even legal over here, they should be but hey ho" big brother Britain.
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    I have a 2008 Standard and I installed one with no problems.
    It flashes just fine.
    I can't remember exactly, but I believe the bulb socket twists off from under the fender with no tools. Brush away the crud and shine a flashlite on it.
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    If you want to remove the entire unit....

    It's pretty easy. If you get on your back right behind your rear tire and look up, you'll see the license plate bracket. Look at the top of the bracket, you'll see (I believe) 4 screws in roughly a square. You will need to remove those four screws. They hold the license plate on as well as pull the brake light housing tight to the fender. There are spacers for the screws, don't lose them.

    Once the screws have been removed, you should be able to remove the brake light assembly from on top of the fendor. The issue that you're going to have is the brakelight reflector is a sealed unit. The bulb locks into the back of the unit.


    If you just want to remove the bulb, not the assmbly.

    Reach under the rear fendor, feel for the brake light wires. Follow the wires to the back of the bulb. Mine feels like an ignition switch( where the key goes in). twist it, it will only move one direction. Carefully remove the bulb from the back of the assembly. The wires are short so don't force the extraction.

    If that doesn't work for you, see the previous section about removing the assembly.
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    just sent you a pm, was wondering if you or anyone else know if the tailblazer and pathblazer (front light modulators) are legal in the UK?

    i may be importing my R3 there in april...
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    hmm, found this on another forum...

    Hi, I thought I'd post a copy of my email correspondence with VSED about a year ago regarding the legality of Headlight Modulators in the UK.

    to "vsed@dft.gsi.gov.uk" <vsed@dft.gsi.gov.uk>
    date 20 October 2008 21:09

    subject Motorcycle Headlight Modulators

    Dear Sirs,

    I hope I have found the right department, but can you advise whether the use of Motorcycle Headlight Modulators is legal in the UK.

    I have trawled the web to no avail, everything is about the USA and Canada laws, where they are legal providing they comply to strict standards such as modulation speed, depth of modulation etc.

    The general opinion is that they make a motorcycle much more visible during daylight hours (They should not be used at night and have a photocell fitted to prevent this). As a keen motorcyclist for 35 years, I can state through experience that this can only be a good thing from a safety point of view. I have had several near misses over the years, where a car pulls out of a junction and the general excuse is "Sorry Mate, didn't see you" and this is in spite of always riding with headlight on.

    Here is a link to an abridged version of the US Federal Law: Motorcycle Headlight Modulator Regulations - webBikeWorld

    I am planning to manufacture and market these units in the UK based on the US specifications, but it would obviously be a mistake if they are currently illegal, were to be declared illegal at a future date, or there are already different UK specifications for such units.

    I hope you can cast some light on the matter for me and look forward to hearing from you soon.

    Many thanks


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    VSED to me
    show details 05/11/2008

    Dear Mr Hayes

    Headlamp modulation is not permitted on motorcycles in the UK.
    The motorcycle industry are running a number of studies into alternative, non-flashing, lighting concepts that may enhance the visibility of a motorcyclist and we will consider the results of these studies as they become available.

    Yours sincerely

    Jillian Smith
    DfT - Transport Technology Standards





    Note the use of the words, "Not Permitted" as opposed to "Illegal". There is no mention of any specific law. The words "non-flashing" indicates they have a lack of understanding as to what a Headlamp Modulator actually is. (Headlight Modulators do not flash, but vary the intensity of a headlight).

    It is my opinion that there is no specific law in the UK that actually covers the use of Headlight Modulators as they are a relatively new invention. What would the police actually charge you with?

    I have ridden in the UK, Spain, Portugal, Italy & Greece using a Headlight Modulator without any problems from the authorities so far. What I can definately say is that a Headlight Modulator gets you noticed by the guy who was just about to pull out in front of you.

    I must finish by stating I have a vested interest as I manufacture Headlight Modulators, but the reason I do is because I believe they make a hell of a difference to being seen.

    John Hayes - Motorcycle Headlight Modulator
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